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Build 14 Alpha 8 WIP 2 PIRATE_KK

<!--quoteo(post=270537:date=Jul 26 2008, 10:01 PM:name=Short Jack Gold)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Short Jack Gold @ Jul 26 2008, 10:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=270537"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Working on both - but the Blaze one is further ahead. The mods to Beatrice are minimal at the moment, till I move and convert the Blaze stuff over, so I didn't upload.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Fair enough. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=270537:date=Jul 26 2008, 10:01 PM:name=Short Jack Gold)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Short Jack Gold @ Jul 26 2008, 10:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=270537"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry, don't know what you mean by this. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I meant that I'll probably be uploading Monday, but perhaps William will be moving the site back to the .com domain then too, which might disrupt the upload. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
While I'm working on compiling Alpha 8, here's some fairly impressive stats for the game size as installed:
<b>- Stock Game:</b> 2,42 GB
<b>- Build 13:</b> 3,15 GB GB
<b>- Build 14 Alpha 8 WIP 2 MAXIMUS:</b> 5,39 GB
<b>- Build 14 Alpha 8:</b> 5,70 GB

The download sizes are:
<b>- Build 13:</b> 312 MB
<b>- Build 14 Alpha 8 WIP 2 MAXIMUS:</b> 661 MB [to be installed on top of Build 13 Final]
<b>- Build 14 Alpha 8:</b> <i>To be determined</i> [to be installed on top of Build 13 Final]

I think we already reached our 1 GB Build 14. Not to mention that Build 14 more than doubles the game's size! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=270587:date=Jul 27 2008, 03:37 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jul 27 2008, 03:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=270587"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>- Build 14 Alpha 8:</b> <i>To be determined</i> [to be installed on top of Build 13 Final]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->In ZIP, the file already IS 1 GB now! JIKES! I'll do 7-Zip then! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
 
I was thinking over the relations for all the nations and I had come up with this:

<b>Bartolomeu quest 1660-1670:</b>
ENGLAND - HOLLAND <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
FRANCE - HOLLAND <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
PORTUGAL - HOLLAND<!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro--> hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (since the Dutch kept stealing colonies from the Portugese)
SPAIN - ENGLAND, FRANCE, HOLLAND, PORTUGAL, PIRATES <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
ENGLAND - FRANCE <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
PIRATES - ENGLAND <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->neutral<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (friendly perhaps?) most of the pirates were buccaneers and those only attacked the Spanish, the English used them for in their own fleets!
PIRATES - FRANCE, HOLLAND, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->wary/neutral<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

<b>Nathiel Hawk quest 1690-1700</b>
ENGLAND - HOLLAND <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (England was ruled by the Stadholder of the Netherlands)
FRANCE - HOLLAND, SPAIN, ENGLAND, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (Nine Years War)
PORTUGAL - SPAIN, HOLLAND, ENGLAND <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (Grande Alliance)
PIRATES - SPAIN, HOLLAND, ENGLAND, FRANCE, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (buccaneers were pirates now and they turned against everybody)

<b>Jack Sparrow quest 1740-1750</b>
ENGLAND - HOLLAND <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (War of Austrian Succesion)
SPAIN - FRANCE <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (War of Austrian Succesion)
FRANCE - HOLLAND, ENGLAND <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (War of Austrian Succesion)
SPAIN - HOLLAND, ENGLAND <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (War of Austrian Succesion)
PORTUGAL - HOLLAND, FRANCE, ENGLAND, SPAIN <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->neutral<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
PIRATES - SPAIN, HOLLAND, ENGLAND FRANCE, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

<b>Jack Aubrey quest 1775-1785</b>
ENGLAND - USA, HOLLAND, SPAIN, FRANCE, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> War of Independence
HOLLAND - SPAIN, FRANCE, PORTUGAL, USA <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
PIRATES - USA <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (Most of the navy were freebooters)
PIRATES - SPAIN, FRANCE, ENGLAND, PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

<b>Hornblower quest 1790 - 1805</b>
ENGLAND - FRANCE, SPAIN <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
FRANCE - SPAIN <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
FRANCE - HOLLAND <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->neutral<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> if we use the time before 1795, it should be hostile, after that Holland was a French Province
FRANCE - PORTUGAL <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
FRANCE - USA <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->neutral<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
ENGLAND - HOLLAND (before 1795) <!--coloro:#2E8B57--><span style="color:#2E8B57"><!--/coloro-->friendly<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (after) <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
PIRATES - to everyone <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->hostile<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

I didn't do any relations for the Beatrice quest, since it starts in 1550, but I like to put it in 1718 (since in the quest, Jamaica is English)

Someone correct me if I am wrong (especially on those US relations)
 
Looks good, but it'd be better to have the relations ordered per period. I don't like to have them quest-dependent.
Also Jamaica is Spanish in the Beatrice quest by code, but all quest-related stuff refers to it being English.
 
Per quest is better, because it is a lot more accacurate, if you do it by period, it would span too many years and nation relations changed very frequently!
 
We could have some period defaults and you can then override those with quest-specific relations. Also you can change relations through code during the quest. There's even the Changing Relations mod that makes relations change over time at random. Not entirely sure if it works; I never observed it working. But it IS there.
 
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