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<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/Danish_west_indies.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> <b>Danish colonization of the Americas</b>

Denmark had a colonial empire from the 18th century until the 20th. Large portions of it involved the colonization of the Americas. Explorers, scientists, merchants and settlers from Denmark took possession of the Danish West Indies (present-day U.S. Virgin Islands), which Denmark later sold to the United States. Beginning in 1721, they reestablished colonies in southwestern Greenland, which is now a self-governing part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

Denmark started a colony on St. Thomas in 1671, St. John in 1718, and purchased St. Croix from France in 1733. During the 18th century, the Virgin Islands in the Caribbean Sea were divided into two territorial units, one British and the other Danish. The Danish islands were run by the Danish West India and Guinea Company until 1755, when the Danish king bought them out. Sugar cane, produced by slave labour, drove the islands' economy during the 18th and early 19th centuries. A triangular trade existed with Danish manufactures buying African slaves which in turn were traded for West Indian sugar meant for Denmark. Although the slave trade was abolished in 1803 by the Danes, slavery itself was not abolished until 1848, after several mass slave escapes to the free British islands and a non-violent slave protest. <b>The Danish Virgin Islands were also used as a base for pirates.</b> The Danes encouraged British and Dutch settlers, who became the largest non-slave groups on the islands. Their languages predominated, so much so that the Danish government, in 1839, declared that slave children must attend school in the English language. The colony reached its largest population in the 1840-50s, after which an economic downturn increased emigration and the population dropped, a trend that continued until after the purchase by the United States. The Danish West Indies had 34,000 inhabitants in 1880.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahoy there ye fine lot of AOP moddin swashbucklers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />

I have a dream ... I want to play as the Danes ... go figure <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
Anyway I think it would be cool playing as the Danes. Just for the heck of it and as inspiration here are some pictures and a very nice <a href="http://www.cmoc.dk/engfolder2.pdf" target="_blank">PDF with very detailed history of the Danish navy at the time</a>.

<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/trefoldigheden.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

For more info about the Danish navy at the time <a href="http://www.milhist.dk/start/oversigt_skibsdatabasen.htm" target="_blank">this link</a> is quite good!

<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/danes.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

I would sure love to sport some of the larger Danish beautie like 'The Dannebrog' (Yep! same name as the flag):

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Length - 164' x beam - 42' 6" x draft - 17' 3"
Complement: 680
Armament: 82-94 cannon; main battery of 24 pdrs. on the lower gundeck.
Dannebrog was probably the second largest warship built during the 17th century, being second only in size to the huge Fredericus Quartus built at the very end of the century. Although the second Christianus Quintus, built in 1683, mounted more guns than the Dannebrog, the Dannebrog was four feet longer and was one and a half feet wider at its extreme beam, while having a draft that was only two inches shallower than the Christianus Qunitus. Thus, at the turne of the century, Dannebrog was probably the second largest warship in the Danish fleet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyway my question is - Have anyone currently made any Danish AOP mods or have plans for such?

I would definitely like to join any endeavour aimed at adding the Danes to any extend into the game! Anybody interested?

All the best
Frans
 
I'm up for trying to get anything and everything into the game we can, Frans. Danes, Americans and more. More factions, more islands, more quests, more ships.... Just more of everything.

So I'll see about trying to work on a model for the ship's you like, but I'm still working on my Chinese style Junks. And searching madly for my copy of Maya 4.5 so I can export models with proper collision models and such.

Cap'n Drow
 
Sir Drow!

Your spirit and stamina towards AOP displayed at this and other forums serves you great credit. It also serves you great credit that you have a possitive attitude and a natural warmness, not only in your reception of newcomers but also in your general replies to posts from others. Thank you!

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm up for trying to get anything and everything into the game we can, Frans. Danes, Americans and more. More factions, more islands, more quests, more ships.... Just more of everything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree completely! Okay then, I will try to work out a list of stuff for adding the Danes as a faction to the game. I will try to find material for the islands, towns and forts as well as 1-2 specific Danish ships for the period. I will also try to find some pictures of Danish uniforms and names of persons of importance. I will also try to come up with the odd quest with a Danish angle and general naval missions of the same ilk.

Sir Drow - I will try to find pictures and facts on the 1-2 Danish ships so you have something to work with. I really appreciate your offer to have a go at the model for one! Thank you!

Thomas The Terror - would you be up for doing some Danish uniforms? If so have you seen any from the period on the net?

Thank you and all the best
Frans
 
Excellent, all such reference you can find would be of great use. As would anything you can get that is specifically in english. Sadly, I don't do well reading danish. **grins**

Something else good would be specific pirates and commanders that were famed, as well as the names and plans or good images of their ships as well as stats if possible.

I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with, Frans.

Cheers mate!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />

Cap'n Drow
 
Dans, yeah i like that idea, it was a big power back than too. But please NO american, if you want Americans ingame, you have to make a Napoleon mod, just like the P&E for POTC. In the 17th hunderdeds and begin till middle 18th century, america was just a kolonie.
 
Ahoy there Sir Drow, Mr. Tripple T and the rest of you saber swinging nutcases <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />

Now about this whole adding the Danes thing ... I desire your explicit opinion ...
- What time frame should I be looking at? Quite literally and quite precisely!

You see, after digging some more on the web it is clear that the Danes can actually be added almost completely historically accurate within the game time frame, as they are already starting to appear and settle on St. Thomas as early as 1655 even through their first feeble attempts fail and they only completely control the island around 1670.

Do you agree that the game time frame is from January 1640 to say 1660 ... 1665 tops ... ? If so then I find it almost completely within history to have the Danes start a feeble little outpost on St. Thomas in 1640 when the game starts. If we deside to go historical then I will also only choose Danish ships actually constructed and in service from 1640-65. This would mean that playing as the Danes would be fairly tough just as it should be and just the way I like it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

A second possibility is to let the Danes have all three islands and to have some of the ships from around the turn of the Century appear. I guess that in my oppinion the feasibility of this scenario all depends on how historically accurate the game is with regards to the settlements and ships from the other nations! What is your take on that question?

Another thing entirely is the whole single ship contra ship type question i.e. as the game is now we have ship types rather than individual ships! Do you know if it will actually be possible to have shpis available only to seperate nations and not ship types available to all nations as is now?

All the best
Frans
 
Well, there are actually several things I am up to regarding mods for AOP. As far as the historical stuff, yes, that would be an excellent time frame in which to base your ideas. That means we would want historical information regarding the colony, ideas of the layout of the town and good pics and or plans of ships that would be available about then for them.

Hope that makes the info you need to collect a bit easier to figure.

Cap'n Drow
 
I can skin some danes uniforms, and ships. I think that we better could place the time around 1680, time of the buccaneers. That would be i think a bit more fun, because you can add more things.
 
<img src="http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/Thomas_the_Terror/danishsolier.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

found a danish soldier from 1701. maybe a good base for the soldiers in AOP? And maybe we can replace the not used bounty hunter flag with the danish flag.

Oh, and i think we should make Jamaica the capital island of the english (with port royal, but then we must place the timeframe in 1680-90) AND tortuga must be a pirate island!

<img src="http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/Thomas_the_Terror/inf1675-6.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

found another one, dated back to 1665-75 (soldiers on the background, we could use the english soldiers again and make them blond, OR we could use the stock french ones.)

But somebody must know how to make a new nation.
 
Nice reference images, Thomas. Just need some good ones of some ships, forts and buildings and I'll be ready to go. **grins**

Cap'n Drow
 
I finally got myself a copy of the game, I've been modding a bit of PotC... I've never released anything though.

As I'm danish myself, I'd love to seem them ingame, and I'll help with whatever I can.
I prefere things to be historical accuate, so if we could make the danes available I'd say you should only give them one Island (or whatever they had at that time)

I can do 3D models, however I can't convert them ingame, I also prefere other people to make the textures since I'm not an expert on that.

I do have Maya 4.5

Koch
 
Ohhh, if you have Maya 4.5 and can figure out the collision detection, you will be worshipped by AOP and POTC forums alike!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />
 
LOL.. Well, that bit is getting tackled from all sides, Doober. If you haven't heard, I finally found my copy of 4.5, going through a bit of info to figure out how to use the exporter now. **winks** Hopefully I'll have my first completely new model finished up in the next couple of days.

Cap'n Drow
 
I know he was, but figured I'd just put in my two cents as well. Already experimenting with Akellas plugins. Only one of them works with 4.5 though. We'll need a version of 4.0 or earlier to get the others to work. And those are useful ones to boot, a camera exporter as well as an animation exporter.

At least we have a working geometry exporter though.

You can grab the plugins from the potc ftp, or give me a shout and I'll see what I can do about send them over to you.

Cheers, and welcome to the fun!!

Cap'n Drow
 
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I know he was, but figured I'd just put in my two cents as well. Already experimenting with Akellas plugins. Only one of them works with 4.5 though. We'll need a version of 4.0 or earlier to get the others to work. And those are useful ones to boot, a camera exporter as well as an animation exporter.

At least we have a working geometry exporter though.

You can grab the plugins from the potc ftp, or give me a shout and I'll see what I can do about send them over to you.

Cheers, and welcome to the fun!!

Cap'n Drow
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No worries about the plugins, you only need the working one.

I've talked to Duke Suraknar ages ago, he has been creating ships for the PMT, they've never released anything though. He told me that that plugin was all that was needed.

However he wasn't willing to tell me how to do the conversion <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> He's a funny guy.

The PMT is corrently working on an expansion for PotC, they've worked on it for ages now. I do ask them how far they've gotten once in a while, but it seems like they're only making little progression atm. from what I've been told they're adding new quests and ships.

But I don't expect it to be released.

You can find them here: <a href="http://www.thelib.com/yabbse/index.php#6" target="_blank">http://www.thelib.com/yabbse/index.php#6</a>
 
Excellent. I'll check that out. Right now, I'm just digging through the info I've been pointed to here, and while I'm doing so, I'm compiling a tutorial that will hopefully explain clear and concisely just how to create and export a full and proper working model.

I'll post up the tutorial once I've confirmed that all the info I have is 100% good to go.

Cap'n Drow
 
Okay me fellow swashbuskling pirates here goes first suggestion for a Danish ship to include:

<b>Sophia Amalia</b>

<b>Data</b>
Built: Christiania (subsequently renamed Oslo), Norway (at that time Norway was part of Denmark).
Naval Architect: James Robbins
Type: Man of War - Three gun decks, three masted, square rigged warship.
Displacement: 2000-2200 tons
Service History: Built in 1650, condemned in 1687.
Dimensions (English feet): Length - 165' x beam - 38' 6" x draft - 17' 6". During her career she was rebuilt (1673), at which time her beam and draft dimensions were altered to 40' 3" and 20' respectively.
Propulsion: Sail
Complement: 430-680, capable of 885
Main Armament: 86-108. She had 100 guns in 1662, 102 guns in 1673, and in 1656/57 her shot weights together was 1216 lb (broadside?).
Secondary Armament: To repel enemy boarding crews she was fitted with smaller cannons på 'tvärskotten' (meaning something like across-hull).

<b>History</b>
The Royal Dano-Norwegian Navy ship Sophia Amalia was named after Sophia Amalia <a href="http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Amalie" target="_blank">http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Amalie</a> , the wife of Kong Frederik III (King Frederick III).

The colossus of the Danish fleet in her day, dwarfing almost all other Danish orlogsskibe (General term for Warship in Danish) (excepting the Frederik (1649) and the Prins Christian (1650) - ironically, the orlogsskibe built immediately before and immediately after the Sophia Amalia. The ship was built at Hovedøen (main island) in Oslo under the direction of James Robbins (the elder) and launched in 1650. She was 51.8 meters long and 13 meters wide and at that time one of the largest naval vessels in the world. To indicate the historical scope of her size, the Sophia Amalia was not superceeded in size by another Danish battleship until perhaps the Christianus Quintus, built 33 years after the Sophia Amalia (i.e., in 1683), but was most definately superceded in size by the Dannebrog, built 42 years after the Sophia Amalia, in 1692.

Sophia Amalia was one of the few Danish battleships ever built in Christiania (later renamed Oslo), except that the exceptionally large Danish battleship Prins Christian was also built there in 1650. Only three other Danish battleships, much smaller that the three specially mentioned, were built in Christiania between 1646 and 1700; most were being built at Copenhagen.

She was commissioned by King Christian IV specifically to surpass the British ship HMS Sovereign of the Seas commissioned by the British in 1637. The ship was manned by a standard crew of 680 and had an armament of 108 guns, surpassing Sovereign of the Seas by eight guns.The vain Danish King had studied the dimensions of Sovereign of the Seas and simply added to the dimensions here and there with the explicit intent to surpass the Sovereign of the Seas. Therefore the two ships are very very similar in apperance. As Sovereign of the Seas the Sophia Amalia had two closed gun decks and a third open gun deck with holes to shoot through between the 'skansen' on the for-ship and the 'bakken' on the aft-ship (sorry for my lacking capability of translation between Norwegian, Danish and English)

Today, we are extremely fortunate to have two rare and very detailed ship's portraits of the Sophia Amalia by the noted Dutch marine artist, Van de Velde (the elder), one from the bow and the other from the stern perspective, providing us with a very comprehensive idea of the Sophia Amalia's construction and appearance. There is also today in the Orlogsmuseet an excellent modern ship model - one of its "prize" models - of the Sophia Amalia, built in 1956 for the Danish navy by the navy's chief model maker, E. Werge - a far superior model to the one contained in the Norwegian naval museum. The superb detail in E. Werge's model must have been based upon the Van de Velde portraits.

On the below models and drawings please note that the sculpture on her aft is a horse as on the Van de Velde drawing and not the roayl shields as depicted in some of the other sources.

Primary model source (Likely very accurate): Orlogsmuseet i København (Naval musseum of Copenhagen). <a href="http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/</a>
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/sophia_amalia_1650.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
PC rendered photos of said model: <a href="http://axelnelson.com/skepp/Soleil.html" target="_blank">http://axelnelson.com/skepp/Soleil.html</a>
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/akterbra.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/sofi3.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Also primary model source (Highly accurate): Van de Velde drawing
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/sophia_amalia_1650_b.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
PC rendered photo based on said drawing: <a href="http://axelnelson.com/skepp/Soleil.html" target="_blank">http://axelnelson.com/skepp/Soleil.html</a>
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/amalia.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Secondary model source (source regarded as being less accurate than the two above): <a href="http://www.fmu.mil.no/marine/Bibliotek/sophia.html" target="_blank">http://www.fmu.mil.no/marine/Bibliotek/sophia.html</a>
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/28.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/106.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/107.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

For completeness sake - Sovereign of the Seas:
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/sovereign_1637.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
<img src="http://www.cmoc.dk/AOP/Sovereign_of_the_Seas.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

<b>Sources</b>
<a href="http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/index.html" target="_blank">http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/index.html</a>
<a href="http://www.milhist.dk/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.milhist.dk/index.htm</a>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org</a> (English, Danish and Norwegian)
<a href="http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/</a>
<a href="http://www.fmu.mil.no/marine/Bibliotek" target="_blank">http://www.fmu.mil.no/marine/Bibliotek</a>
<a href="http://axelnelson.com/" target="_blank">http://axelnelson.com/</a>

All the best
Frans
 
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Excellent. I'll check that out. Right now, I'm just digging through the info I've been pointed to here, and while I'm doing so, I'm compiling a tutorial that will hopefully explain clear and concisely just how to create and export a full and proper working model.

I'll post up the tutorial once I've confirmed that all the info I have is 100% good to go.

Cap'n Drow
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Sounds Great <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Looking forward to this

I'm already working on my first few models (I prefere working on more than one model, I always gets tired of working with the same model for more than 2 hours <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> )
 
WOW!!!! Beautiful ship. I'll give 'er a shot once I've got this first Junk completed. But she's gonna be complicated. **grins** A real challenge.

She's one of the prettiest vessel's I've ever seen for sheer flash.

WooF!!

Cap'n Drow
 
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