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HMS Indefatigable (1784) frigate

Discussion in 'Ship Modeling' started by Martes, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Armada

    Armada Sea Dog Staff Member Administrator Project Manager 3D Artist Storm Modder

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    I know, your situation is a bit more difficult. :unsure

    I think the existing model can continue to be used in her current role, at least for now. It would be a shame to demote her to a different role after the effort that has gone into making her the de facto razee frigate. Besides, as much as we are perfectionists here, most people playing the games won't notice the inaccuracies in proportions. ;)
     
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  2. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    Of course, who knows how long it will take to remake the ship now. Most likely, I won't have as much time as I had two months before.

    So, I may assume I got the principal size right this time and can get to rebuilding the hull? With all this panic, I could use a bit of confirmation here :)

    I think I ought to start a separate thread as soon as there is something to show.

    Don't mention "most people" to me, I feel bad as it is :woot
     
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  3. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    Oookay, I finally found the exact position of the aft perpendicular.
    First on a ship-of-the-line configuration, but it's identical on both drawings - if you figure out where to look :))

    i_perps.jpg

    If you look carefully on the ruler under the ship, there will be M-shaped markings on edges. The (barely visible, especially aft) lines that go up from the inner side of the M is the perpendicular.

    i_aft_perp.png i_fwd_perp.png
    That looks like a common feature on all British drawings.

    (and yes, I miraculously found a better resolution profile of the Indy - whole 2k pixels wide :woot)
     
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  4. Armada

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    Good catch. I just checked the Bellona plans, and the forward perpendicular is indeed next to an 'M', but the ruler extends slightly further aft, so the other 'M' doesn't quite line up with the aft perpendicular.
     
  5. Martes

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    There still should be a line extending up to the place where the gun deck crosses the hull.
     
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  6. Martes

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    But (looking on other drawings) the aft M does indeed differ from the aft perpendicular in many cases.
    It does mark some meaningful point, just not always that.
     
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    There are indeed dotted lines marking them at either end. :yes
     
  8. Martes

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    I think I solved the mystery of the aft M marking.

    The ruler begins at the fore perpendicular, where the perpendicular is 0 position, and an M marks it from the right.
    It ends, on the other hand, not at the length of the ship, but at the closest position of *10 feet (for Indy it's the same - 160 feet, but Augusta is 159 feet in gundeck, so the aft perpendicular is rising from 159 mark, and an M follows 160.

    It's very hard to note this with low-res scans, unfortunately.
     

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