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Pirates of the Caribbean 4

I would like to see that also, as I'm sure many would. It would be interesting to see exactly how and when Jack Sparrow embarked on his piratical career and how these exploits shaped him into the personality we now see in these movies. Was he always this "slightly off?"
Also, maybe we could see when he came to meet Hector Barbossa and came about being the captain of the Black Pearle. And I'm sure Johnny Depp could pull off playing the younger Sparrow, I doubt anyone could play Captain Jack quite the same way that he does. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
On thing that should be mentioned: There is some backstory available in comic books. From what I heard these are really stupid stories and should be completely ignored for any prequels. Having a crew of little kids led by the young captain Jack sailing around on a ship looking for the sword of Cortez would not make a good PotC film at all.
 
I agree. That would be silly. And I'm afraid that they may be tempted to go in that direction. I'd say that the same writers who wrote the first should be given a crack at it, but then these are the same guys that wrote the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. One could argue that they simply went in the wrong direction, and could be trusted to restore the goodwill of the first film in any prequel that might come about in the future.
 
<!--quoteo(post=213145:date=Aug 27 2007, 07:31 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Aug 27 2007, 07:31 PM) [snapback]213145[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would like to see that also, as I'm sure many would. It would be interesting to see exactly how and when Jack Sparrow embarked on his piratical career and how these exploits shaped him into the personality we now see in these movies. Was he always this "slightly off?"
Also, maybe we could see when he came to meet Hector Barbossa and came about being the captain of the Black Pearle. And I'm sure Johnny Depp could pull off playing the younger Sparrow, I doubt anyone could play Captain Jack quite the same way that he does. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jack 'Slightly off'?...thas just a raging hangover mate. I Was more than a bit 'off' meself yesterday.

Anyhoo. That's what I was thinking in part, telling the story of Jack's run in with Beckett and his betrayal by Barbossa. However expanding upon the 'crimes' mentioned at the hanging scene at the end of CPB might be more fruitful. Could Depp play a younger Sparrow? I reckon so...not like he has a known age in the films to date and he doesn't exactly look 44 now anyway.
I just reckon doing a prequel gives a chance to avoid all the damned silliness of the sequels. As with the Matrix series, the original POTC: CBP film was by far the best because the supernatural/fantastic elements were kept to a relative minimum. Personally I couldn't see the need for the supernatural twaddle in the original either, but I guess that was the Disney link.
 
I have some thoughts about this:

I think that there should be a fourth film. The third ended in such a way that it merited another to clean up the mess they started. If they do a fourth, it should be the rest of the war they started. The EIC lost the first battle and Beckett, but there is no doubt that the Company officials in London would send another agent... perhaps someone with more military bearing than Beckett, which would replace both Beckett's lead enemy character and Norrington's military character.
But to bring light to what now looks like another drama, a new player has entered the field. This new addition to the film would give Jack's side more hope and better odds to make it more of a swashbuckling battle than the ominous lopsided fight seen in At World's End.

<b>Barbossa:</b> "This battle may be won, but this war is far from over."
Scenes of the Brethren Court's fleet regrouping and beginning much needed repairs.
<b>Barbossa:</b> "And this time, the enemy will return with unparalleled resolve."
Scenes of a massive fleet in line astern. Scene of a heavily decorated EIC admiral on the quarterdeck of a ship.
<b>Barbossa:</b> "There is not much hope left for us..."
Scene of <i>Black Pearl</i> sailing off. Scene of Jack alone in his dingy.
<b>Jack:</b> "Perhaps there is a chance..."
Scene of Jack's dingy floating into the shadow of a ship, camera pulls out to reveal a frigate.
<b>Jack:</b> "The death of piracy may very well be just over the horizon..."
(Continuation of previous shot.) Camera pulls out further to reveal the ships flag: Red, white, and blue stripes and a blue inset with white stars.
<b>Jack:</b> "But the fate of the free man isn't."

Americans. It may not seem all too appealing to Europeans, but the science-fiction factor isin't there and the numbers of the opposing sides don't make it seem desperate and dramatic. The Continental Navy was certainly viewed as a band of pirates and this could give Jack his chance to do a "spec of honest pirating" as a privateer with the colonials.
Only problem with this idea is how the rest of the world sees the American Revolution, if they even know about it, and the fact that is gets a little too close to mixing PotC with Master and Commander, which is more of a navy fanatic, historical buff fiml than a swashbuckling pirate adventure.


The thought of a prequel is appealing, but they would have to make one from scratch and ignore the books written presently. They could go deep into how Jack marked Beckett, the transformation of the <i>Wicked Wench</i> to the <i>Black Pearl</i>, and the deal behind Davy Jones and Jack's soul... which is a very big part of the present movies since its what DMC revolves around and leads us to AWE. We could also get more character development from Captain Teague, Bootstrap, and Tia Dalma. We could also see the brush with the EIC, sacking Nassau, Jack's previous visit to Singapore and Sao Feng's reasons for hating him, and why Norrington was so passionate about catching the <i>Pearl</i>.

What say you?

(PS: There was a news article that comfirmed Disney's starting of PotC4 in 2009.)
 
<i>It's like the fourth Indiana Jones picture - there are forces in play to make it happen, and forces in play to make it not happen. I think we will try to write a screenplay. I can't say if we'll be able to solve the challenge of making a good fourth film, or if our screenplay will be enough to get a film made.
- Terry Rossio</i>

<i>“This is the end [of the current trilogy], but whether one of the characters or a couple of the characters continue on, it’s a possibility. Certainly, in a moment at the end of the film there is a hope that something else might happen.”
- Jerry Bruckheimer</i>


These are the kind of quotes that set the rumor mills going. Whether they will lead to another movie being made in the next few years is anybody's guess. I've heard that Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley are not interested in doing another one but that's not a big loss, just so long as Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush would be, which I hear they are.
I do like the idea of a prequel better than a fourth installment continuing on with the present story. I think it would shake it up a bit and bring people back out of curiosity. They probably would have to ignore whatever has been written out there about Jack Sparrow's past and start with a clean slate.
BTW, Cpt Fabris, that was a good comparison between the Matrix and POTC sequels. Its best when its kept simple. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
I really want to see Jack's sacking of Nassau port, and betrayel of the EITC. (The sacking was also in the Legend of Jack Sparrow, it was fun to play, but not as a movie) So I hope they do a prequel, and banish all the atlantis rumor shit, and all those childish kiddy books.
 
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That would be great if they used the legend of Sparrow sacking Nassau without firing a shot as the main thrust for a sequel. Build the movie around that and really elaborate on it, and then have the sacking take place near the end of the film. Was it planned to go off that way? Was it planned at all? Maybe this was the deed that bought Jack name recognition in the Caribbean. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
P'raps we ought be writing our own screenplay then eh? Send it off to 'ole Bruckheimer an' try an' move his thinkin' in our direction. An't much be carin' if some other fellow be stealin' our ideas if it mean the death of that their Atlantas tomfoolery.
A new collaborative effort for the forum? POTC 0.5?
 
That be sum thinkin' that merit serious consideration. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> Write it out like a screenplay in a thread with all of us contributing, and see in which direction it takes us. Maybe if it gets too off base we still could take some of the better ideas and write it down in screenplay form to send to ol' Jerry. Good idea, Cpt Fabris. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
And Disney wouldn't be able to ignore something as big as this. Not with it comming from an entire community of PotC fans. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> I like it. But we'd best move quick if we want this to work. We'd have to start <i>now</i> to get something completed and somehow sent off to someone with enough influence or connection to the PotC movies.

OK, I think it's pretty clear that it would be a prequel. So all we have to do is open a topic called "Pirates of the Caribbean 4: Collaboration Script" and start pouring in our ideas. The first post could be a sort of film timeline that is edited when an event makes it in. Once we have the outline, someone could write it up. One question: this film, would it be a single prequel film or the first of a prequel trilogy? I think prequel trilogy would do better, since we could put more focus on different events instead of cramming everything into one film and making it fit together fluidly. Also, Disney would probably jump at the idea of another trilogy... more films, bigger franchise, more money in their pockets.

But there is a problem, Disney has made it a habit of keeping the Pirates movies under wraps until a couple weeks before its release. They really try to hide the plots to make it a fun suprise rather than let everyone know what's going to happen... and the whole world would come to see our ideas. We'd probably get swamped with new members who just want to add their stuff in, which might not be good to begin with. So we'd have a lot of annoying people adding useless posts that spam the thread. So, we'd have to somehow keep a low profile here and do this with a small crew of brainstormers and writers... but how long can we keep it under the radar and how would we keep it hidden if Disney liked it and announced that we did this?

What say you mates?
 
I think that's the way to go, Commodore, with a thread to pour our ideas into. We may pick up a few trolls but I believe for the most part we'll be okay in our community, and the more people contributing the more chances that some really great ideas will be posted. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2up" border="0" alt="thumbs1.gif" /> I also like your timeline idea for the first post. I had been thinking along those lines and we should have the first post be sort of a framework for our ideas that we can edit as we go along.

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I agree. It wouldn't make sense to cram in a million plots into one prequel, that would confuse the story and the audience and wind up a convoluted mess. We could focus instead on one theme, such as Jack taking Nassau without firing a shot for example, and build on it from there.
 
One point worth mentioning: I have occasionally been reading the Wordplayer.com forum, which is the Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio's website. As you know they were the scriptwriters on the three PotC films. I read a post where one of them said that any idea they read is one idea they CAN'T use. This is because if they DO use that idea, the person who made up that idea might sue them for it.
 
That makes sense, though you take a shot at it anyway and maybe send them a letter along with it stating you give permission for them to use the script, or to use the idea behind the script as a basis for a screenplay for a new movie that they would write.
 
or we could just show them every idea except this one <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
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I'd just send them an e-mail that refers them to our thread and gives permission to use anything they want. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
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