Standard Storyline Ship Use

[Pieter Boelen]

As I've suggested before, I'd like to go through all storylines and put all our new high-detail ship models to good use where appropriate.
With the Hornblower storyline replacements being well underway, here's a list of the original game's storyline ships:

Nathaniel Hawk captaining Sea Horse (LuggerVML)
Nathaniel Hawk captaining Amorale (Pinnace2), borrowed from Anacleto Rui Sa Pinto - Option #1 for ship you get after losing your previous ship in the storm
Nathaniel Hawk captaining Lucky (Brig1), given by Wilfred Bythesea - Option #2 for ship you get after losing your previous ship in the storm
Nathaniel Hawk captaining Black Pearl (BlackPearl), captured from Barbossa

Remy Gatien captaining Belette (FR_Belette) - Speightstown blockading squadron, NOT black-and-red French colour scheme
Yves Giner captaining Cleopatre (FR_Corvette) - Speightstown blockading squadron, black-and-red French colour scheme
Begon Monchaty captaining Semillante (FR_Frigate) - Speightstown blockading squadron, black-and-red French colour scheme
Isaac Razilly captaining Couronne (Battleship1) - Speightstown replacement squadron (if you sunk the original squadron)
Jacques Belmondo captaining Arsinoe (FR_Frigate) - Speightstown replacement squadron (if you sunk the original squadron)
Pierre Leverrier captaining l'Enterprise (FR_Frigate) - Speightstown replacement squadron (if you sunk the original squadron)
Abelard Tarnaud captaining Alouette (Schooner1) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Wigayn Ratel captaining Friponne (Lugger1) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Virgile Boon captaining Oiseau (Barque1) - Ammunition ship to be sunk or captured
Ewan Glover captaining Albion (Sloop1) - British troop transport ship to be escorted
Will Turner captaining The Adventurer (PiratCorvette50) - Bartolomeu's Silver Train sidequest
Rabel Iverneau captaining La Boussole (FR_Boussole) - Ship used to escape Speightstown
Anacleto Rui Sa Pinto captaining Amorale (Pinnace2) - Option #1 for ship you get after losing your previous ship in the storm (see above)
Waulter Tomlison captaining Battleship3 (HMS Vengeance) - Bridgetown assault squadron
Malcolm Hart captaining HMS Desperate (RN_SuperiorWarship) - Bridgetown assault squadron
Henry Banfield captaining HMS Monarch (RN_Frigate) - Bridgetown assault squadron
Wauter Keech captaining HMS Black Prince (RN_Corvette) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Lewellyn Belt captaining HMS Meleager (RN_Frigate) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Ferro Cerezo captaining Demetra (Pinnace2) - Search for Danielle, Puerto Rico library
Robert Christopher Silehard captaining Sovereign of the Seas (Manowar1) - Final battle, ship to be captured and used later on to fight the cursed Black Pearl
Isenbrandt Jurcksen captaining Dud (PiratFrigateSup) - Silehard supporting squadron
Thomas Norton captaining HMS Tremendous (RN_Brig) - Silehard supporting squadron
Brian The Slayer captaining Bato (FastGalleon2) - Silehard supporting squadron
Barbossa captaining Black Pearl (SHIP_CURSED) - No explanation necessary!

Ethilrede Claar captaining Neptunus (PiratCorvette50) - Enemy captain in Nigel Blythe storyline?
Xabe Oraglio captaining Fast Death (Brig1) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Gyles Dubois captaining Madonna (Lugger1)
Gyles Dubois captaining Madonna (Barque1) - this is not a typo???
Gyles Dubois captaining Madonna (Caravel1) - this is not a typo???
Simon Blunden captaining Fast Death (PiratCorvette50) - this is not a typo???
Harold Barrat captaining HMS Athena (RN_Frigate) - Idol frigate
Gyles Dubois captaining Sirena (Barque1)
Gyles Dubois captaining Sirena (Barque1) - twice???
Mystery Man captaining Hundred Devils (Barque2) - several times??? - Animists' Storyline
Mystery Man captaining 666 (Brig2) - several times??? - Animists' Storyline
Bernardo Gamboa captaining Neptunus (Corvette1) - another Neptunus?
Mergildo Hurtado captaining Montanez (Barque1) - Ship being attacked by the Animists' ships
"Pirate Seven" captaining Duk (PiratBrig50)
Malcolm Hatcher captaining Margaret Hatcher (PiratBrig50) - where is HIS ship used???
Jack Greenfield captaining Prison Ship (Brig1) - Edgar Attwood sidequest
Dark Captain captaining Mefisto (Frigate_sat) - Animists' Storyline
Giraldo Figuiera captaining Inferno (PiratFrigateSup) - "second Mefisto"; uhh??? Cannot find this character being used, but IS referred to in other characters' dialog
Pieter Boelen captaining Amsterdam (NL_Amsterdam) - My lovely ship in the Turks Help sidequest
"Captain" captaining Santa Marta (Galeon2) - Ship at anchor at Turks Lighthouse in Turks Help sidequest, if I recall this is the invading Spanish ship
Davy Jones captaining Flying Dutchman (CursedDutchman) - First Contact sidequest
"Silver" captaining Leon (Fleut1) - Ship at anchor in Silver Train sidequest, probably should be a nice Spanish Treasure Galleon

Danielle Greene captaining Vertigo (Schooner2), later Pinnace2 - Main story, player companion
Clement Barnabas Aurentius (Researcher) captaining Astra (Tartane1) - where is HIS ship used???
Claire Larrouse captaining Cheri (PiratBrig50) - Claire Larousse storyline, player companion
Txiki Pijuan captaining Santiago (FastCaravel) - Bartolomeu o Portugues sidequest

Quest_frigate_captain captaining Volcano (Battleship1) - CHARACTER NOT USED???
Vigila Mendes captaining Juno (Caravel1) - Trader to be escorted from Grenada

Does anyone have any thoughts about any of the above? What custom new ship models do we have that would be correct for The Golden Age of Piracy (1680 - 1739) and we should therefore try to put to use?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

I've updated the above post with notes on where each ship is used, as far as I could figure out. Of course I haven't played the storyline in forever, so I could use some help from anyone who has.
For example, isn't there a ship you're supposed to sink to get the idol for Silehard? Which ship is that?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

And a question for the historically inclined: should British and French ships in the Standard storyline use their black-and yellow or black-and-red colour schemes or should they not?

 

[Bartolomeu o Portugues]

About the silver train quest we need to change the fleut1 by a spanish treasure galleon and the change must be also done in the Bartolomeu main quest.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Apostol Felipe?

 

[Hylie Pistof]

I've updated the above post with notes on where each ship is used, as far as I could figure out. Of course I haven't played the storyline in forever, so I could use some help from anyone who has.
For example, isn't there a ship you're supposed to sink to get the idol for Silehard? Which ship is that?

The Athena is the frigate with the idol. Harold Barret is her Captain.

The Albion stands out as being too small to transport a detachment of soldiers. Perhaps something bigger, but still fast would be preferred.

 

[Bartolomeu o Portugues]

Apostol Felipe?

Yes, it could be a good solution.

 

[konradk]

Malcolm Hatcher captaining Margaret Hatcher (PiratBrig50) - where is HIS ship used???

When user sets a Tartane-class ship in "New horizons" storyline, it will turn out that Hawk was only a Hatcher's first officer. Hatcher proposes to give Hawk a recently captured tartane, then our unhappy "alter ego" humbles "...I was hoping to take control of brig ''Margaret Hatcher'). Also, a tutorial is supposed to be run on board of this ship.


pirate_kk

 

[Seb]

And a question for the historically inclined: should British and French ships in the Standard storyline use their black-and yellow or black-and-red colour schemes or should they not?

We're in 1690, late XVIIIth century color schemes such as the black and red for the french would be quite anachronic, it would ruin the immersion feeling...

We should use the royal french scheme and limit the part of yellow and black for the british ships, but that's only my point of view

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Malcolm Hatcher captaining Margaret Hatcher (PiratBrig50) - where is HIS ship used???

When user sets a Tartane-class ship in "New horizons" storyline, it will turn out that Hawk was only a Hatcher's first officer. Hatcher proposes to give Hawk a recently captured tartane, then our unhappy "alter ego" humbles "...I was hoping to take control of brig ''Margaret Hatcher'). Also, a tutorial is supposed to be run on board of this ship.

Ah, I remember that now you mention it! Of course it is no longer possible to select your own ship, so this ends up never happening.

The Athena is the frigate with the idol. Harold Barret is her Captain.

Thanks a lot; I updated the above list accordingly.

The Albion stands out as being too small to transport a detachment of soldiers. Perhaps something bigger, but still fast would be preferred.

Good point! Definitely needs swapping out.

We're in 1690, late XVIIIth century color schemes such as the black and red for the french would be quite anachronic, it would ruin the immersion feeling...
We should use the royal french scheme and limit the part of yellow and black for the british ships, but that's only my point of view

That's what I suspected. At the moment, two out of three ships in the squadron blockading Barbados DO use the black-and-red colour scheme, so we need to swap those out for sure.

Apostol Felipe?

Yes, it could be a good solution.

That one's done! Should make for quite a nice sight when people play that sidequest now!

 

[Seb]

That's why I repainted FR_SuperiorWarship1, I was fed up to see that red and black scheme in 1690, we shoud find a variant for the two other ships in the blockade squadron

In fact, we should just push that color scheme out of the periods situated before 1740, or better, it should begin to appear with the Aubrey/Hornblower periods... well, as long as the french monarchy is out there... But we might not have enough ships for that

 

[konradk]

Malcolm Hatcher captaining Margaret Hatcher (PiratBrig50) - where is HIS ship used???

When user sets a Tartane-class ship in "New horizons" storyline, it will turn out that Hawk was only a Hatcher's first officer. Hatcher proposes to give Hawk a recently captured tartane, then our unhappy "alter ego" humbles "...I was hoping to take control of brig ''Margaret Hatcher'). Also, a tutorial is supposed to be run on board of this ship.

Ah, I remember that now you mention it! Of course it is no longer possible to select your own ship, so this ends up never happening.

I've a bit more finished version of Select Storyline interface, so this happens again. The only thing I must add is starting location and starting date selection.


pirate_kk

 

[Pieter Boelen]

That's why I repainted FR_SuperiorWarship1, I was fed up to see that red and black scheme in 1690, we shoud find a variant for the two other ships in the blockade squadron
In fact, we should just push that color scheme out of the periods situated before 1740, or better, it should begin to appear with the Aubrey/Hornblower periods... well, as long as the french monarchy is out there... But we might not have enough ships for that

Would be nice to have some more French royalist ships. At the moment, I imagine the following French ships would be available for this storyline:
FR_Boussole
FR_Couronne
FR_Derfflinger
FR_Fleuron
FR_Hoy
FR_Licorne
FR_SoleilRoyal
and maybe
FR_WarGalleon

Which of those would work for the blockading squadron? Of course we can always use some of the generic ship skins and put, for example, battleship1 back in there.
The colours of the FR_Belette do look somewhat odd to me; I prefer the clean royal look of the Boussole and La Licorne.

I've a bit more finished version of Select Storyline interface, so this happens again. The only thing I must add is starting location and starting date selection.

Even that sounds already brilliant! Do you think you could finish that? Or upload your current files for that? That'd be brilliant to be able to re-introduce for Beta 2!
I once tried your latest update, but I couldn't start a new game with it, so couldn't do much with it.

 

[konradk]

I've a bit more finished version of Select Storyline interface, so this happens again. The only thing I must add is starting location and starting date selection.

Even that sounds already brilliant! Do you think you could finish that? Or upload your current files for that? That'd be brilliant to be able to re-introduce for Beta 2!
I once tried your latest update, but I couldn't start a new game with it, so couldn't do much with it.

When do you plan to release Beta 2? I could upload a current version tomorrow or even today, but it surely isn't compatible with any recent modpack. Additionally, I'm trying to improve SE and have a real life, so I won't have time to merge anything. The only option which is left is to 'upload it as is'.


pirate_kk

 

[Pieter Boelen]

I'd want to release Beta 2 before the end of the year. If your current game version runs at all, it should be fairly doable to extract only the Select Storyline interface, right?
Especially if you tell me which files are the main ones. If you can upload it, I'll see what I can do.

 

[Armada]

Would be nice to have some more French royalist ships. At the moment, I imagine the following French ships would be available for this storyline:
FR_Boussole
FR_Couronne
FR_Derfflinger
FR_Fleuron
FR_Hoy
FR_Licorne
FR_SoleilRoyal
and maybe
FR_WarGalleon

Definitely not La Couronne, she's outdated by this time period. The others should be fine, though.
However, I'm starting to doubt the Boussole's role in this storyline. She's a late 18th century frigate dressed up as a late 17th century frigate. She's too modern by design for 1690.
We might need to modify something like the Corvette model to use a similar paint scheme to La Boussole. If I recall correctly, the stock game actually used a Corvette for that role, anyway.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Definitely not La Couronne, she's outdated by this time period. The others should be fine, though.

Couronne outdated already? That's quick! Too bad.

However, I'm starting to doubt the Boussole's role in this storyline. She's a late 18th century frigate dressed up as a late 17th century frigate. She's too modern by design for 1690.
We might need to modify something like the Corvette model to use a similar paint scheme to La Boussole. If I recall correctly, the stock game actually used a Corvette for that role, anyway.

Can't we get away with using the Boussole? She's only used as player ship for one short run and not seen again afterwards.
Otherwise we're just going to have the non-nation-specific ship models. Which is possible as well, of course. But I'd still like to use as many nation-specific ones as we might be able to pull off....

 

[Armada]

Couronne outdated already? That's quick! Too bad.

According to Wikipedia, La Couronne was commisioned in 1636, and decommissioned in 1645 to be scrapped. So she certainly didn't last until 1690.

Can't we get away with using the Boussole? She's only used as player ship for one short run and not seen again afterwards.
Otherwise we're just going to have the non-nation-specific ship models. Which is possible as well, of course. But I'd still like to use as many nation-specific ones as we might be able to pull off....

You'll have history buffs knocking on your door with pitchforks and torches, mate. :urgh
But if you don't mind that, then sure, we can keep her as she is.

We could always repaint her and use her in the Hornblower quest instead, if we still want her put to good use...

 

[Pieter Boelen]

According to Wikipedia, La Couronne was commisioned in 1636, and decommissioned in 1645 to be scrapped. So she certainly didn't last until 1690.

9 years only? That's a rather short lifespan, isn't it? If we have to fit exactly within those years, she'll hardly get any use at all.
We'd have to be at least a bit flexible to be able to use her either in Golden Age of Piracy or in The Spanish Main.

You'll have history buffs knocking on your door with pitchforks and torches, mate. :urgh
But if you don't mind that, then sure, we can keep her as she is.

Nobody has complained so far. Haven't even seen much complaints about the red-and-black Barbados blockading squadron, which seems to me a worse anachronism.
I like her current paint scheme and would find it rather unfortunate if she'd see no use as-is at all.

 

[Hylie Pistof]

Just two quick questions.

Why is the Athena painted black and red? She is a British frigate.

What ship is going to replace battleship3 in the Bridgetown Assault Squadron?