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Discussion in 'Sea Dogs: City of Abandoned Ships' started by ButterCutter, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. ButterCutter

    ButterCutter Landlubber

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    Lets make a thread for <b>SHORT</b> gameplay tips.
    No cheats or exploits please. I mean strategies and tactics, what is profitable etc. We can later concentrate all of this into a categorized list.

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    * Naval combat & World map
    * Swordplay
    * Economy
    * Port attack
    * Training & leveling
    * Officers
    * Other
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    Here is the summary of tips from the thread (updated 30.06.09)
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    Naval combat & world map:
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    * When attacking a heavy ship with a light maneuverable one, the best place to be while waiting for the guns to reload is directly behind, in a tow-line. You can only be hit by the few aft guns and if close enough, the big ship cannot shake you off. When your guns are ready, bank to the side to fire away and immediately return to the tow-line, bank to the other side to fire the other broadside. You get to fire two broadsides and the chasers for one of his chasers volleys. You are close enough to fire buckshots and prepare for boarding, without the risk of him boarding you.
    * When starting a new game that if a big ship or ship's are going to attack you near a friendly fort wait behind the fort or near the town until they have gone by and collect all the good cargo that they have dumped overboard to make money.
    * If you have ships on your tail and you want to get rid of them, try to engage them while they are still a good distance away (the moment the grappling hook appears on the work map). On the combat map, they will be out of distance (world map icon is visible). Now go immediatly back to the world map to find they have vanished. But don't do it if you have several ships in your squadron. Yours will be in a safe range, but very probably one or two of the stragglers will be engaged with the enemy and you'll either have to go rescue them or abandon them. Point your ship towards the enemy on the map - the sailing mode does take into account your position and heading when generating the encounter, so your other ships will be safe.
    * During world map sailing: I noticed that pirate ships avoid other nations ship and only chase your ship.somehow this can be used to lured them further away from your ship just position your ship behind another ship of other nationalities to gain some space between you and your pirate pursuers


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    Swordplay:
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    * One vs. 2-3 on land, where you have some room to maneuver : Use the sidestep a lot to circle your opponents. The ones that are not directly in front of you will waste time to walk around their comrade and position to attack again. Especially good if you are waiting for your endurance to build and cannot attack anyway. Much better than back paddling.
    * One vs. many, power attack: To release the slow power swing without being interrupted, make one retreat step. Start the swing while your opponents are still out of range but advancing toward you. Precede with a circling side-step if you have an obstacle behind you.
    * One vs. many: Try to kill the opponent that carries the heavier weapon first. You can survive a few hits from a dagger, but the axe will chop you to bits in one hit. Front-loaded damage ruins your day.
    * Early in the game I took personal feat for quicker energy (stamina) regeneration. For me this worked quite alright. And when I face many enemies I use swing attack (SHIFT+left MB) which damages everyone around me. And with this nobody can hit me because every time I interrupt their attack and i kill several opponents at once with several attacks. When out of stamina I use block with dodging from power attacks (SHIFT+right MB) and strafing and with regenerating stamina feat, I gain stamina quite fast.
    * If you're fighting in a tight area and are stuck behind your fighters and want to get some swings in. Sheath your weapon, then you can run through, re-draw and join the fight.


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    Economy:
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    * Smuggling is all about routes and amounts... the higher the amount the more profitable is the risk... A good route is Curaçao (buy mahogany) and Martinique (buy silk, although personally i don't even bother with this one...).
    On Curaçao, get officers and buy as many bulky ships as you can, empty them of cannons, put minimum crew and some food and medicines, then load them all till the top of the mast with your goods. Get the deal done, then before going back to the sea, get back your sailors, food and medicines, get rid of the skippers in them and leave them to sink... Repeat.


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    Training & leveling
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    * Starting up in the game, navigation skill, in my opinion, is probably the most crucial, yet the easiest ship skill to raise as it determines the kind of ship you are able to maneuver. Do a lot of quests for the port control, particularly pertaining to the logbook delivery. It raises your navigation significantly, speeding up time for you to take on more elite ships.
    * Pro Cannoneer perk is the NAME of the game. Once you or your cannoneer are endowed with that ability, you can pretty much bring down 6 elite ships with a single level 2-3 ship at once. It significantly raises your critical hit chances and the damage you inflict upon any part of the ship (sail, hull, personnel).
    * Another way of increasing your reputation is to go brawl in the tavern.join an npc for a drink and when the option that says "i'll cut your throat appears,choose it then you will be in a one on one fight with that npc after which you can loot him and earn some reputation.


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    Officers
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    * There is a way to hire more officers than your allowed limit. When you reached your limit and found one or two officers that you want to add to your team, just buy cheap vessels and leave them to the Port Control. Then go and hire the new officers that you want. After hiring them, take back your vessels from the Port Control and sell them back.
    * When you recruiting officer you can lower his price for couple of thousand. All you have to do is tell him that you think his price is little too much. When he lowers the price, DON'T accept but leave the dialog and then talk again. Now his base price is the lowered one and you can repeat the procedure again until he won't lower price any more.


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    Other
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    * Save, save, save, save, then backup save a few times. The quests are way to easy to break in this game, its much easier to have a backup save that you can go back to and not lose alot of time.
    * If you are about to enter the City of Abandoned Ships, be sure your char is ready because you can not leave again until you complete the quest line.
    And you can not train your char more inside if your are too weak.
     
  2. Zalioth

    Zalioth Sailor Apprentice

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    <!--quoteo(post=330306:date=Jun 18 2009, 10:49 AM:name=ButterCutter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ButterCutter @ Jun 18 2009, 10:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=330306"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><i>Requests some tips regarding good smuggling operations and slave trade</i><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Economy:
    * Smuggling is all about routes and amounts... the higher the amount the more profitable is the risk... A good route is Curaçao (buy mahogany) and Martinique (buy silk, although personally i don't even bother with this one...).
    On Curaçao, get officers and buy as many bulky ships as you can, empty them of cannons, put minimum crew and some food and medicines, then load them all till the top of the mast with your goods. Get the deal done, then before going back to the sea, get back your sailors, food and medicines, get rid of the skippers in them and leave them to sink... Repeat.

    In this route Curaçao - Martinique (Mahogany) I make around a few millions each time, because I move around a few thousands of mahogany... (at 100 trade, you buy it for 130 or so, and you sell it to the smugglers for 780 more or less <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />) The price of sinking ships is totally justified (each of these carriers costs around 50k, nothing compared to what you are going to make...). It's basic to have a fast ship to run away, because the government won't allow such huge operations plus, your reputation goes to hell quite fast... but, you wouldn't be smuggling if you were going to be a good boy right?
    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thpirateshipff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":piratesahoy!" border="0" alt="thpirateshipff.gif" />
     
  3. Marinx

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    I'm not sure if the prices and export/import/illegal are randomized every time you start new game.
    I didn't pay attention but in previous games (think it's a AOP1) prices and goods were randomized.
    If so, there are no reason to write trade routes and prices.


    SWORDPLAY

    Early in the game I took personal feat for quicker energy (stamina) regeneration. For me this worked quite alright. And when I face many enemies I use swing attack (SHIFT+left MB) which damages everyone around me. And with this nobody can hit me because every time I interrupt their attack and i kill several opponents at once with several attacks. When out of stamina I use block with dodging from power attacks (SHIFT+right MB) and strafing and with regenerating stamina feat, I gain stamina quite fast.
     
  4. Sordid

    Sordid Utterly inexcusable! Storm Modder

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    This is more of an exploit, a borderline cheat, but you can savescum your way through virtually any swordfight. See, the status of your weapon is saved but that of your opponents' isn't, meaning that when you load a saved game you have your sword already drawn, but your opponents start with their weapons in their sheaths again. You get a free swing or two before they draw and are able to block or counter attack.
     
  5. Baku

    Baku Landlubber

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    <!--quoteo(post=330338:date=Jun 18 2009, 08:56 PM:name=Sordid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sordid @ Jun 18 2009, 08:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=330338"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is more of an exploit, a borderline cheat, but you can savescum your way through virtually any swordfight. See, the status of your weapon is staved but that of your opponents' isn't, meaning that when you load a saved game you have your sword already drawn, but your opponents start with their weapons in their sheaths again. You get a free swing or two before they draw and are able to block or counter attack.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    so that's what savescumm mean... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
    any tips on how to raise the loyalty of regular sailors?i can't seem to figure out...just these types...
     
  6. Sordid

    Sordid Utterly inexcusable! Storm Modder

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    Savescumming generally means saving your game before a randomized event takes place and then reloading until you get an outcome you like. I must say I'm rather disappointed by the fact that COAS is riddled with situations encouraging or outright requiring this technique, the prime example being the randomized stats of unique ships and officers.
    The sword drawing thing is more of a bug that you can take advantage of, so I guess I used the term incorrectly there.

    Anyway, yeah, I don't know how to raise loyalty of neutrals either. Hence why I only hire good-aligned officers. Fortunately quest-related officers never leave, no matter how low their loyalty gets. Or so I've been told.
     
  7. Baku

    Baku Landlubber

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    oh ok now i get it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> so i have been doing that technique long before i found a term for it lol.

    the musketeer officer is neutral so its ok even if his loyalty drops?he will not leave right because he is quest related in <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="8)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> a way...
     
  8. LittleMorgan

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    Yeah, the musketeer will stay with you for ever.
    However, I found him not too helpful anyways because he has a tendency of shooting own ppl in the back <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

    These days I hired only from the "dark side" because keeping their morale up through normal gameplay (read plundering/stealing like mad) is by far more easy than keeping the good ones happy...
     
  9. leongt

    leongt Master Mariner

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    I found when starting a new game that if a big ship or ship's are going to attack you near a friendly fort wait behind the fort or near the town until they have gone by and collect all the good cargo that they have dumped overboard to make money
     
  10. Croaker

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    For worldmap sailing.

    If you have ships on your tail and you want to get rid of them, try to engage them while they are still a good distance away (the moment the grappling hook appears on the work map). On the combat map, they will be out of distance (world map icon is visible). Now go immediatly back to the world map to find they have vanished.
     
  11. Sordid

    Sordid Utterly inexcusable! Storm Modder

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    But don't do it if you have several ships in your squadron. <i>Yours</i> will be in a safe range, but very probably one or two of the stragglers will be engaged with the enemy and you'll either have to go rescue them or abandon them. Point your ship towards the enemy on the map - the sailing mode does take into account your position and heading when generating the encounter, so your other ships will be safe.
     
  12. sennengurushi

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    Starting up in the game, navigation skill, in my opinion, is probably the most crucial, yet the easiest ship skill to raise as it determines the kind of ship you are able to maneuver. Do a lot of quests for the port control, particularly pertaining to the logbook delivery. It raises your navigation significantly, speeding up time for you to take on more elite ships.

    Pro Cannoneer perk is the NAME of the game. Once you or your cannoneer are endowed with that ability, you can pretty much bring down 6 elite ships with a single level 2-3 ship at once. It significantly raises your critical hit chances and the damage you inflict upon any part of the ship (sail, hull, personnel). One time I brought down a level 2 Warship with a level 4 Xebec, by a single shot that rakes up 4 critical hits. 4 critical hits in a single shot!!

    One way to make fast money: Get a heavy merchant ship that can load more than 5000lbs cargo (like Heavy Galleon). Perform a lot of lucrative (yet underrated) merchant trade quests that only go for short-distance trips to save time, so I advise to keep loading until you get your ideal destination. I found the easiest merchant trade routes to be in the east main, as the area is filled with French-English colonies. This is certainly a very profitable, time-killer side job when you are on a quest to travel far to the other side of the Caribbean, so you can transit in different colonies along the way. The only downside: it's a noble cause, so any of your officers with a bad rep are not going to find this movement...amusing.
     
  13. Pieter Boelen

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    The worldmap ships are NOT saved when going into 3D sailing mode? I thought that was supposedly one of the things improved in AoP! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />

    **Edited out no longer relevant quotes, discussion of pinned topics split out as separate discussion** Cap'n D
     
  14. Edie

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    How do you deal with the retarded encounters that chase you from one end of the map to the other non stop? Killing them only makes the next wave that much harder, if I leave them alone they start multiplying and following me to the ends of the map and back.

    Not even when the few times I managed to get Caribbean Tales to play long enough to do anything with did I run across such garbage.
     
  15. Pieter Boelen

    Pieter Boelen (Not So) Old Seadog Staff Member Administrator Storm Modder Hearts of Oak Donator

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    Did anyone say Wiki? <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?showforum=74" target="_blank">http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?showforum=74</a> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
     
  16. Sordid

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    <!--quoteo(post=330681:date=Jun 19 2009, 08:48 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jun 19 2009, 08:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=330681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The worldmap ships are NOT saved when going into 3D sailing mode? I thought that was supposedly one of the things improved in AoP! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not sure what you mean, but one thing about the map-sailing transition in COAS that I have noticed is that it doesn't transfer the wind. See, in AOP the sailing mode wind direction and strength was based on the map wind direction and strength, in COAS it is random.
     
  17. Pieter Boelen

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    Although I never played AoP, I understood that in AoP when you'd go to 3D sailing mode from the worldmap, then returned,
    the ships that were on the worldmap before would still be there. Eg. the game remembered the state of the worldmap.
    There IS a wind strength and direction on the worldmap too?
     
  18. Sordid

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    Well gosh, of course there is. It's bloody annoying too, I <i>swear</i> the game always moves the wind against you on purpose! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whippa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":whipa" border="0" alt="whippa.gif" />
    And COAS also remembers the ship positions.
     
  19. Pieter Boelen

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    PotC didn't have wind on the worldmap. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />
     
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    Yeah, I know. I just thought you were familiar with AOP's map mode.
     

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