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what ye be callin' 'er?

Aye, that be the fun of it. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Take down a manowar in a corvette and your showered in experience plus yer exploits will be told and retold in all the taverns <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> of the archipelago.
 
My modified Bermuda Sloop is “Caribbean Witch”. When using a middle of the road ship it’s always the ‘Black Pearl’. The big ship is usually named ‘Retribution” if I’m going to use it for a while. Frankly I love the witch, the Bermuda Sloop is not only a great looking ship, but also she’s good against anything up to (and including some) 2nd raters if you can stay away and rake them from the stern! She really is an almost perfect pirate ship.
 
<!--quoteo(post=187940:date=Apr 5 2007, 10:07 PM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Apr 5 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]187940[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->those bigger behemoths are the problem. manowars are really hard to take in a corvette, because it's one mistake and you sink. it is doable though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boarding is the word! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
i WAS talking about boarding. but in my case, i am of course talking about 3 of them close together, having to board at least one of them in a matter of seconds, and if you make a mistake, sink. you have to figure out how to board it, and do it right, in 2 seconds, which isn't much. one of them is indeed pretty easy.
 
I, William Redsand (otherwise known as Heretik Will) usually sail under French Colours because I think that French people, and french traditions are awesome. I come up with a new name for every ship I sail, but my last few have been:

Brigand's Nest (current)
Marauder
Marauder II (me first cutter sunk, but it was in the process of capturing another one to which I gave the name Marauder II)
La Marguerelle
Marie Sanglante
 
I tend to use these tactics:

Come in fast and quick, cross their T and give 'em a good rake with grape to knock down their crew, take in the mains'ls and dismast them with chain, then get out of their line of sight and pound them to submission. If you haven't noticed, history shows that this worked, look at "Old Ironsides", she never lost a battle she went into.
 
I tend to agree with the come in fast and quick approach but if yer tryin' to capture her so sell for some gold at a shipyard you want to keep her as intact as possible. You also may want to board just to get some valuables even if you can't add her to your fleet. Of course, if yer fightin' for your life than you need to pound her into submission as fast as possible. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
believe me, if you fire a broadside of grapeshot with a manowar, there's barely anything left for the enemy to move with.
 
<!--quoteo(post=188480:date=Apr 7 2007, 10:30 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Apr 7 2007, 10:30 PM) [snapback]188480[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I tend to agree with the come in fast and quick approach but if yer tryin' to capture her so sell for some gold at a shipyard you want to keep her as intact as possible. You also may want to board just to get some valuables even if you can't add her to your fleet. Of course, if yer fightin' for your life than you need to pound her into submission as fast as possible. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Well, that's was the British point of view. That is how we won the War of 1812. The Royal Navy wanted to dismast us, then take us by boarding to add our ships to their massive fleet. (For each American made musket, there was one British warship mounting 30 or more guns!) The American objective, however, was to hit the English below the waterline and sink them. We had an entire continent of timber and plenty of space for making ships, so capturing a ship to add it to our thirteen frigate navy was not quite top priority. And our fleet was growing rapidly. One example was the "Greenwood Fleet" on the Great Lakes, we threw together a squadron of heavy brigs-of-war... so quickly that we had to constantly patch up leaks that were appearing from all the wood shrinking!
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is how we won the War of 1812<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Let me remember... You're talking about the attempt of the United States to conquer Canada, under British Crown, and that ended up with the White House burning, aren't you? Such a victory indead!
(Well, I must admit that the United States did won some great navy battles against the Navy, but on land... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dp_nogd.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ng" border="0" alt="dp_nogd.gif" /> )
 
<!--quoteo(post=188620:date=Apr 8 2007, 02:33 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Apr 8 2007, 02:33 PM) [snapback]188620[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=188480:date=Apr 7 2007, 10:30 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Apr 7 2007, 10:30 PM) [snapback]188480[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I tend to agree with the come in fast and quick approach but if yer tryin' to capture her so sell for some gold at a shipyard you want to keep her as intact as possible. You also may want to board just to get some valuables even if you can't add her to your fleet. Of course, if yer fightin' for your life than you need to pound her into submission as fast as possible. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Well, that's was the British point of view. That is how we won the War of 1812. The Royal Navy wanted to dismast us, then take us by boarding to add our ships to their massive fleet. (For each American made musket, there was one British warship mounting 30 or more guns!) The American objective, however, was to hit the English below the waterline and sink them. We had an entire continent of timber and plenty of space for making ships, so capturing a ship to add it to our thirteen frigate navy was not quite top priority. And our fleet was growing rapidly. One example was the "Greenwood Fleet" on the Great Lakes, we threw together a squadron of heavy brigs-of-war... so quickly that we had to constantly patch up leaks that were appearing from all the wood shrinking!
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Well, for me the point was selling the captured ship at a shipyard for some gold. I'd rather do that then send her to the bottom if I could. I don't have a whole continent of timber to build ships. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh" border="0" alt="huh.gif" /> And if you board her you can also grab some gold and maybe some booty as well. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
As for the War of 1812, that ended more in a draw then a victory. Luckily England was also fighting Napoleon at the same time in Europe.
 
<!--quoteo(post=188631:date=Apr 8 2007, 04:41 PM:name=a simple virtual sailor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(a simple virtual sailor @ Apr 8 2007, 04:41 PM) [snapback]188631[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is how we won the War of 1812<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Let me remimber... You're talking about the attempt of the United States to conquer the Canada, under British Crown, and that ended up with the White House burning, aren't you? Such a victory indead!
(Well, I must admit that the United States did won some great navy battles against the Navy, but on land... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dp_nogd.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ng" border="0" alt="dp_nogd.gif" /> )
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Yeah, I will admit that we had some horrible ideas and fought some poor battles on land, but we did defend Baltimore, inspire our national anthem, crush the enemy at New Orleans, and establish ourselves as a naval power. So, despite its misgivings, it had a positive effect on our nation, it gave us fighting expierence, gave birth to a new line of military leaders, and taught us what not to do. (I understand the whole payback for impressing our sailors bit, but invading Canada?! STUPID!)
 
<a href="http://www.galafilm.com/1812/e/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.galafilm.com/1812/e/index.html</a> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

I also remember an excellent article written by Stephen J. Gould on it... in <i>Bully for Brontosaurus</i> I think.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->invading Canada?! STUPID!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The United States declared war to Britan for several reasons. The arrogance of the British navy was one of them, and the desire to impose the United States as a new naval power was another. Of course we can add 'because the english were too busy fighting against Napoleon and were momentaly pretty weak', it's certainly one of the main cause... But the goal of the war <u>was</u> to conquer the british colonies in Canada. In that time, and mostly in the rest of the century the United States were expanding their territory in all possible directions, in the West against Natives, in the south - later they did take half of the Mexican territory, remember! So why not in the North? It wouldn't have been a 'conquest' it would have been to free the local population from the tyranical goverment of the British Crown, and offer them to join the United States as new states... very logical - wasn't it exactly what the first states did half a century ago when they freed themself with the help of France? why not 'helping' our dear Northern neighbors?... (even if they don't want to...)

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->crush the enemy at New Orleans<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The New Orleans' battle was the last of the war. It wasn't really a key event, but it was exploited later by the national propaganda in order to make the people 'forget' how big was the disaster, and to give the illusion this saved the United States from being completly dismantled by the victorious Britishmen. The article of S.J Gould is analysing this event.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, despite its misgivings, it had a positive effect on our nation, it gave us fighting expierence, gave birth to a new line of military leaders, and taught us what not to do.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I agree with that, it's perfeclty right. The American Navy had proven she could take over on sea on the British Navy, the strongest naval power of the time - that was something. At that moment, with the disapereance of France as a naval power since the French Revolution, Britain was rulling the seas.

In conclusion, I hope you will put the 1812 war into the Napoleonic add-on - not to see the White House burning of course! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=188562:date=Apr 8 2007, 11:06 AM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Apr 8 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]188562[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->believe me, if you fire a broadside of grapeshot with a manowar, there's barely anything left for the enemy to move with.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is true. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /> You have to be extra careful with a lot of guns. However you have so much crew you might as well just board outright and take her. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel_pa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ixi" border="0" alt="duel_pa.gif" />
 
the amount of crew doesn't matter for me. besides, two-thirds of it is a meat-shield anyway. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The New Orleans' battle was the last of the war. It wasn't really a key event, but it was exploited later by the national propaganda in order to make the people 'forget' how big was the disaster, and to give the illusion this saved the United States from being completly dismantled by the victorious Britishmen. The article of S.J Gould is analysing this event.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

And what's so ironic about it was that it was fought <i>after</i> the war was officially ended! Same thing with the declaration of war too, the Royal Navy agreed to quit impressing our sailors, then three days later we declared war. If only communication was faster... the war might not have happened.

Yes, let's get back on topic! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
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