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Zheng He's Treasure ship

holy crap taht ship is huge. how much bigger in game would it be than the mow? and does it say anywhere how many cannons? good find ;)
 
i got one.
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That's pretty cool, Sony, quite impressive ship!!!

Here's another pic with the Santa Maria in it for comparison:

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"...A `nine-masted` vessel measuring 440 feet, nearly 1.5 times the length of a football field..." WHEW... The Sta. Maria was only 85 feet...

This ship has a fascinating story attached to it - check out this website - I think I'm going to look for this book!

http://www.1421.tv/index.asp
 
Fascinating storry to say the least,

to know that the Chinese discovered America and went around the world almost 100 years before the "Official" names (`Columbus-Magellan`), is just mind boggling.

I sometimes even thing that they may have contributed to the Inkan legends of Gods `re-visiting` by ships one day, when in fact the second time around it was the Conquistadors.

The Possibilities are enormous, stimulating curiosity and immagination.
 
yep im reading that book now...dont yah love it...if i can try to model it i'll do it....thx.

I thnk ill edit my story line to include it...
 
sweet corsair it be soo awesome to see that thing loom out of the fog and plo0w straight through your little schooner.
 
yeah its real. According to Chinese History, a Mongol Leader by the name Zheng He was a rich and powerful. He took over China and created 1,450 new ships, in addition to his old ships. In those 1,000 odd, he created 90! of these "Treasure Ships" to span the globe. He wanted to find something new. and by 1426. he was in America. Imagine how long that took to build. It didnt. He took all of his citizens and made them work in the ship yards. what a ship huh?
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Corsair_Sclipse+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Corsair_Sclipse)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah its real. According to Chinese History, a Mongol Leader by the name Zheng He was a rich and powerful. He took over China and created 1,450 new ships, in addition to his old ships. In those 1,000 odd, he created 90! of these "Treasure Ships" to span the globe. He wanted to find something new. and by 1426. he was in America. Imagine how long that took to build. It didnt. He took all of his citizens and made them work in the ship yards. what a ship huh?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Whoa, where did you get this stuff? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" /> Zheng He was not a Mongol, and he definitely did _not_ "take over" China. In fact he was an admiral working for the Ming (_not_ the Mongol Yuan) government. It's true that he was given command of a fleet of over a thousand ships, including 90 (i think) enormous "treasure ships." However the goal of his and his fellow admirals' voyages was not so much to "find something new," but was instead to establish diplomatic relations with, collect tribute from, and give lavish gifts to China's `as-yet`-undiscovered overseas "subjects" (_all_ other countries were considered subjects of the Chinese empire pretty much by default). Wishful thinking by Gavin Menzies and others notwithstanding, the fleets almost certainly did not circumnavigate the globe, although they did navigate the enire Indian Ocean and the "spice islands" region, traded along the East African coast, and most likely reached Australia and possibly New Zealand. The treasure fleets were eventually deemed too expensive and scrapped, as later emperors decided that China needed nothing from the outside world and established a policy of strict isolationism.

Phil

edit: that's Yuan not Qing... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />:
 
Well,

true Zheng He was working for the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, he was the Admiral in Chief, part of the Expansionist Movement in China of that time.

Wither he was Mongol or not I do not know for sure, however lets not confuse the present political `China-Mongolia` maps with those of the time.

Because back in those times Mongols were even Emperors of China, and after the Mongol Invasion and Conquest of almost all Asia of Gengis Khan.

As for his goal, it maybe many, just like Colombus presented his case to the Queeen of Spain promissing Riches and Gold, I supose the same incentive they gave to the Emperor too.

These Fleets were Huge and the Ships as we see impressive.

The Voyages themselves did circomvent the Globe, the proof is the Maps that we now found that were drawn before Columbus's time.

Zheng He Himself went as far as Africa, but the Fleets under the command of the other Admirals did go all the way to America from different directions.

The Only place they did not go, "possibly in purpose" was Europe.

And you can see the complete Voyages here.

<a href="http://www.1421.tv/pages/maps/voyages.htm" target="_blank">http://www.1421.tv/pages/maps/voyages.htm</a>

Enjoy!
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Suraknar+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suraknar)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well,

true Zheng He was working for the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, he was the Admiral in Chief, part of the Expansionist Movement in China of that time.

Wither he was Mongol or not I do not know for sure, however lets not confuse the present political `China-Mongolia` maps with those of the time.

Because back in those times Mongols were even Emperors of China, and after the Mongol Invasion and Conquest of almost all Asia of Gengis Khan.

As for his goal, it maybe many, just like Colombus presented his case to the Queeen of Spain promissing Riches and Gold, I supose the same incentive they gave to the Emperor too.

These Fleets were Huge and the Ships as we see impressive.

The Voyages themselves did circomvent the Globe, the proof is the Maps that we now found that were drawn before Columbus's time.

Zheng He Himself went as far as Africa, but the Fleets under the command of the other Admirals did go all the way to America from different directions.

The Only place they did not go, "possibly in purpose" was Europe.

And you can see the complete Voyages here.

<a href="http://www.1421.tv/pages/maps/voyages.htm" target="_blank">http://www.1421.tv/pages/maps/voyages.htm</a>

Enjoy!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Those Chinese fleets and ships certainly were very very impressive. China was without a doubt the most advanced nation in the world culturally and technologically right up until the seventeenth century when the Euros finally started to surpass them. However, i own Menzies' book (that's his website you pointed me to) and find much of his evidence for a circumnavigation very... sketchy. This is not to say that such a feat was impossible (which it certainly was not), just that there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence (yet?) that it actually occoured, only circumstantial bits like the maps you mentioned, which are hardly conclusive imo. Now don't get the idea that i'm trying to defend Columus' claim to fame; he was a scumbag and i'd love to see him deposed as "discoverer of the New World"... but i just don't find the Zheng He's fleet theory terribly convincing. I'll keep watching for new and better evidence though...

As for the Mongol thing (again), YES the Mongols conquered China (and much or the rest of Eurasia) in the thirteenth century and set up the Yuan dynasty, but by Zheng's time a native Chinese uprising had already overthown the Mongols and established the (Han Chinese) Ming.
Cheers
Phil
 
wow your one of them history buffs arent you sos well youll fell right at home with people like captain python.
 
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