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Better deck crew?

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Assuming it's possible, would there be a demand for better (Higher-poly) crew models in sailing mode? I know performance is a big issue, but if we only updated the highest LOD version you'd only use the new crew on your ship so the impact would be minimal. Perfect, as from a distance they look fine.

I'd be volunteering for this if it's wanted (I'm more used to modeling characters than ships anyway) so this isn't just a call-out. I'd propose doubling them, but even if this is deemed excessive much could be achieved with just a small increase. The main change I'd like to see is an improved silhouette (adding noses would be a priority). Obviously a poly-count comparable with the officer models is the dream, but performance comes first (maybe someday <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> ).

Discuss, dissect and possibly discard. Come wearing your opinions on your voluminous sleeves.

(Obviously if approved I wouldn't be starting this until my ships are finished. Just a thought for the future)
 
Im all for it, cap´n, and changing the models should be possible as some ships use the AoP crew models, AFAIK.


<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(Obviously if approved I wouldn't be starting this until my ships are finished. Just a thought for the future)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ship<i><b>s</b></i>? Do you have a...ahem... surprise for us? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
Please have a look at <a href="http://piratesahoy.net/potc/AOP%20Lowmens/lowmens.zip" target="_blank">these</a> crewmembers. They come from AoP and are much better than the PotC ones. They do work fine in PotC; I use them in my own game now. I think these are good enough, so you wouldn't need to do any work on modeling all new ones. Only they could do with better and custom textures. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/user_comment.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="user_comment.gif" />
 
Are the AOP models better much better?

Oh, as for my other ship, it'll be the HMS Speedy. The Sophie uses her hull so half the job's already done. On the Speedy the front mast is further forward, there's no quarterdeck, detailing is different and there are more cannons, so It'll look quite individual. If the Surprise wasn't in the build already I'd start on her next. Though I am tempted by either the HMS Lively (Still on the Master and commander theme) or the HMS Bellona as I have pretty good plans of each (better than the ones for the Speedy anyway. They were so fuzzy I had to spend a few hours in photoshop touching them up.)

[Edit: Just seen you post Pieter. About to look at them now thanks. Anything that saves me work is welcome <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> ]
 
<!--quoteo(post=241172:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:07 PM:name=Bava)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bava @ Feb 25 2008, 09:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241172"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Im all for it, cap´n, and changing the models should be possible as some ships use the AoP crew models, AFAIK.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->As far as crew models are concerned, it's either all or nothing. Either all ships use the AoP crewmembers or none do. All ships use the same model files for the crew. Which is actually really unfortunate, because that means we can't add navy crewmembers to RN ships and no skeleton crews to any ships other than the Black Pearl. Only the ship with ID = SHIP_BLACK_PEARL uses the skeletons and there can only be one ship with the same ID. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=241177:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:20 PM:name=Cpt Spicy McTowel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cpt Spicy McTowel @ Feb 25 2008, 09:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241177"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the HMS Bellona<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Seb made a reskin of the Manowar3 which is intended to resemble HMS Bellona. See <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?s=&showtopic=11144&view=findpost&p=225779" target="_blank">here</a> for more information and screenshots. See <a href="http://piratesahoy.net/potc/Potential%20new%20ships%20models/" target="_blank">here</a> for the actual files. I have yet to add her to my game. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_confused.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="icon_confused.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As far as crew models are concerned, it's either all or nothing. Either all ships use the AoP crewmembers or none do. All ships use the same model files for the crew. Which is actually really unfortunate, because that means we can't add navy crewmembers to RN ships and no skeleton crews to any ships other than the Black Pearl. Only the ship with ID = SHIP_BLACK_PEARL uses the skeletons and there can only be one ship with the same ID. sad.gif<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

okay, this answers the question I was about to post, then^^ Pity, marines on navy ships would be real nice...

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If the Surprise wasn't in the build already I'd start on her next. Though I am tempted by either the HMS Lively (Still on the Master and commander theme) or the HMS Bellona as I have pretty good plans of each (better than the ones for the Speedy anyway. They were so fuzzy I had to spend a few hours in photoshop touching them up.)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ah, you mentioned the double-use of the Sophie/Speedy in your thread, I simply forgot that ^^
I´d say go for the Bellona, very well documented (there´s even a whole book about her, IIRC), tons of reference pics and a detailed 74 gun third rate would be just plain awesome to have ingame.<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

Btw, the surprise in PoTC is the "real" surprise, not the HMS Rose as in the M&C movie
 
<!--quoteo(post=241184:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM:name=Bava)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bava @ Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241184"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->okay, this answers the question I was about to post, then^^ A pitty, marines on navy ships would be real nice...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Indeed. Thomas the Terror actually made RN sailors for on the ships at some point, but we simply couldn't use them without having them on ALL ships. Same thing for Cylon13's sea corpses for 3D sailing mode. They can only be used on one ship with ID = SHIP_BLACK_PEARL or on all ships at once. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=241184:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM:name=Bava)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bava @ Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241184"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah, you mentioned the double-use of the Sophie/Speedy in your thread, I simply forgot that ^^
I´d say go for the Bellona, very well documented (there´s even a whole book about her, IIRC), tons of reference pics and a detailed 74 gun third rate would be just plain awesome to have ingame.<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Please have a look at my previous post. We do have something intended to resemble the Bellona. Not accurate, of course, since it's just a reskin of the AoP Battleship3.

<!--quoteo(post=241184:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM:name=Bava)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bava @ Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241184"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Btw, the surprise in PoTC is the "real" surprise, not the HMS Rose as in the M&C movie<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'd like the movie version. I've actually SEEN the real movie version. See <a href="http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1p6uXLc-taNmbCRP0f-UG8jurkQv9ybHvhBk7YMEVSQLbeAJMfpTFxTHhh40dl_-34eu8tniS_mVk" target="_blank">here</a> for a photo of me with the Surprise in the background. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->'d like the movie version. I've actually SEEN the real movie version. See here for a photo of me with the Surprise in the background. razz.gif<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


*envy*

Cant see the pic, but I do believe you <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
Woops; I messed up the link. Fixed now. I haven't actually been aboard her; I didn't have time at all. I actually ran up to her in order to shoot some photo's, but I had to be back on the bridge of the Zuiderdam fifteen minutes later in uniform. That was quite a hurry! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
 
I meant the proper HMS Surprise but the HMS Rose would be fun to make. She was stationed in the Caribbean for a while so it would make sense to-boot!

Pieter: What's wrong with using AOP Characters exclusively if they're better then?

...I'm also envious.
 
<!--quoteo(post=241257:date=Feb 26 2008, 12:23 AM:name=Cpt Spicy McTowel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cpt Spicy McTowel @ Feb 26 2008, 12:23 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=241257"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pieter: What's wrong with using AOP Characters exclusively if they're better then?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Did I say anything was wrong with it? As far as I know, nothing is wrong with using them characters, apart from possible legal issues and their low-resolution textured. I'd like to have them retextured to look better and perhaps recoloured as well, but I do think we should add them to the next Build update. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
I've seen the reskinned <i>Bellona</i>, its pretty good... but I think we really need an official "seventy-four" model to use for third rates... besides, the battleship models are of another age and while it isn't vital, it would be nice to have a model that fits the era.

But I'm pretty sure we'll see a seventy-four pretty soon, what with all these new shipwrights runnin' about making frigates and sloops-of-war. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
I posted the link in the third post of this thread. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
aha, sory, i didn't notice xD

well, my idea is to replace the originale one to some character's <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

I can fix it on about 15 min....
 
hahaha sory i duble post but i just looked at those model's xD LOL!!!!! that is low poly!!!!!!!! but i can't get the textures to work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

By the way, how should they look like?
 
They're a lot less low-poly than the stock PotC ones, only the textures are pretty vague. See <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?s=&showtopic=11144&view=findpost&p=225779" target="_blank">here</a> for a screenshot.
 
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