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Build 13 update vs Build 14

Pieter Boelen

Pieter Boelen

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Since we have started on the Sparrow Search bughunting project, I have been wondering about making an update for Build 13 including the latest stable mods. I would like to make such an update when it becomes feasable, but I also don't want to put too much in this update so that Build 14 will hardly be a major upgrade. That is why I have been wondering on which mods could be put in a Build 13 update and which ones should be left for Build 14.

Personally I think that everything that is an improvement of things already in Build 13 could be added and everything that is completely new should be left until Build 14 (with a few exceptions). So I would think:
- Improved town locations: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- New non movie-related quests: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- New movie-related quests: <i>Build 14</i>
- DirectSail mod: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- Napoleonic ships and characters: <i>Build 14 (with toggle)</i>
- Other ships and characters: <i>Build 13 update</i>

Any other thoughts on this? It might be a bit early in the process of bughunting, fixing and cleaning things up to start any work on this, but we might as well start up the discussion now so that we might have some answers by the time we can actually make the Build 13 update.

BTW: How should we call the Build 13 update? I was originally thinking to call it Build 13.1, similar in naming to Build 12.1. However, since Build 13 Update 3 is sometimes referred to as Build 13.3, this might be confusing. So instead I would opt for Build 13.5 to make it clear that it is a new version with quite some new stuff, but not quite Build 14 yet/
 
Can't help really much here, because I'm not sure whats working as intended, what's causing complications, etc.

All I can say is, that afaik the new Quests are still being coded. So I think they should be "tested" in another version, if you want 13.5 to be a solidly playable version. But wow, I think I really can't help on that one, since I dont have a clue about what's to be done where :p
 
<!--quoteo(post=219694:date=Oct 31 2007, 06:02 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 31 2007, 06:02 PM) [snapback]219694[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Since we have started on the Sparrow Search bughunting project, I have been wondering about making an update for Build 13 including the latest stable mods. I would like to make such an update when it becomes feasable, but I also don't want to put too much in this update so that Build 14 will hardly be a major upgrade. That is why I have been wondering on which mods could be put in a Build 13 update and which ones should be left for Build 14.

Personally I think that everything that is an improvement of things already in Build 13 could be added and everything that is completely new should be left until Build 14 (with a few exceptions). So I would think:
- Improved town locations: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- New non movie-related quests: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- New movie-related quests: <i>Build 14</i>
- DirectSail mod: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- Napoleonic ships and characters: <i>Build 14 (with toggle)</i>
- Other ships and characters: <i>Build 13 update</i><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

OK, so we're basically setting the scope of the Sparrow Search bug quashing effort here.

From your post above, it looks like we'll be adding the following in SS project:
- New non movie-related quests: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b>
- DirectSail mod: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- Improved town locations: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b>
- Other ships and characters: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b>

What about these:
- New weapons from SLiB mod: <i>Build 13 update</i> or <i>Build 14</i>

And I assume that all "new" functions/features will be saved for Build 14?

<!--quoteo(post=219694:date=Oct 31 2007, 06:02 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 31 2007, 06:02 PM) [snapback]219694[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any other thoughts on this? It might be a bit early in the process of bughunting, fixing and cleaning things up to start any work on this, but we might as well start up the discussion now so that we might have some answers by the time we can actually make the Build 13 update.

BTW: How should we call the Build 13 update? I was originally thinking to call it Build 13.1, similar in naming to Build 12.1. However, since Build 13 Update 3 is sometimes referred to as Build 13.3, this might be confusing. So instead I would opt for Build 13.5 to make it clear that it is a new version with quite some new stuff, but not quite Build 14 yet/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm for whatever naming convention makes sense and doesn't cause confusion.

Maybe SJG has some good ideas for a name for the bug-fixed version 13?

kevin
 
The movie-related quests are still being coded, but there's a couple fo finished quests by Bartolomeu as well, such as the Bartolomeu quest, Turks Help, Santiago quest, Moulin quest, etc. These could be added into the Build 13 update.

<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From your post above, it looks like we'll be adding the following in SS project:
- New non movie-related quests: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b>
- DirectSail mod: <i>Build 13 update</i>
- Improved town locations: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b>
- Other ships and characters: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'll post a list when I get home. You can also compile a list by doing a WinMerge compare between Build 13 and the Build 14 Alpha version.

<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What about these:
- New weapons from SLiB mod: <i>Build 13 update</i> or <i>Build 14</i><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I forgot about the new items. They're not 100% finished, are they? I noticed a missing interface picture for the qualitized shotgun. Perhaps the shotgun should be unqualitized? I think some of the items could be added into the Build 13 Update. Although perhaps items like the compasses and such could be left until Build 14.
 
Regarding a name for the new / debugged/ some additions included, version of Build 13.x I would suggest the following:

Pieter, you are quite correct in the confusion in the Build 13 series of numbers. I still have to double check when going from one version to another. (O.K. I'm not that smart <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> )
and at the least Build 13.5 is a better solution.

However, at the risk of putting the cat amongst the pigeons, I would suggest that as part of the publicity campaign we consider those we are trying to attract.
The numbers, for existing new, and new new members, continue to be confusing.
So how about naming it - I don't have a particular favourite but suggest "Sparrow's Story" for the 13.5 version.
(This is based on the logic of our debug program currently at Sparrow Search which will probably go on to Sparrow Sought - Sparrow Safe as it progresses and is upgraded)
This could lead into "New Horizons" for the 14.x new version.

"Sparrow" indicating basic upgrades (before the film) from the original and "New Horizons" indicating a new (into the film and on) improved game completely.
Again, I only suggest these names - the actual names can be determined later.

But, I do believe that it will be far easier for people to grasp which mod is what when they make a download choice.

Also, publicity again, "Pirates of the Caribbean -Sparrow's Story" and "Pirates of the Caribbean - New Horizons" will have far more appeal to new (and old) players alike, indicating that something really special has gone on here (which of course it has).
 
sparrow's story would give the impression that it includes the black pearl quest, i think, which it doesn't.
 
True. It does include the Black Pearl though, so if we replace the stock game's Pearl with the new one, perhaps we can call it something like "Myth of the Black Pearl". It would be a bit odd to come up with a new name halfway into the Build 13 development though. I think it should just be named "Build 13.5" or something like that. This to stick with the established naming convention until Build 14 which will get a seperate name. This would also save us the trouble of having to add the "Sparrow's Story" name to the game's menu's and loading screens.
 
13.5 is a more rounded number. 13.4 could suggest that there is a 13.5 to come. But I want to make ONE more update for Build 13 and the next official release should be Build 14.
 
<!--quoteo(post=219762:date=Nov 1 2007, 12:02 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 1 2007, 12:02 PM) [snapback]219762[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->True. It does include the Black Pearl though, so if we replace the stock game's Pearl with the new one, perhaps we can call it something like "Myth of the Black Pearl". It would be a bit odd to come up with a new name halfway into the Build 13 development though. I think it should just be named "Build 13.5" or something like that. This to stick with the established naming convention until Build 14 which will get a seperate name. This would also save us the trouble of having to add the "Sparrow's Story" name to the game's menu's and loading screens.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmmm let me think ... ahhh ...

1. "Pirates of the Caribbean: Myth of the stable Build"
2. "POTC: Quest for the Unlucky Build 13"
3. "Pirates of the Caribbean": Sparrow's Nightmare CTD" <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dev.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":d:" border="0" alt="dev.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=219785:date=Nov 1 2007, 01:28 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Nov 1 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]219785[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hmmm let me think ... ahhh ...

1. "Pirates of the Caribbean: Myth of the stable Build"
2. "POTC: Quest for the Unlucky Build 13"
3. "Pirates of the Caribbean": Sparrow's Nightmare CTD" <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dev.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":d:" border="0" alt="dev.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

We KNOW where you live you know ... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />

You could be getting a visit from some pirates in long black trenchcoats <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whippa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":whipa" border="0" alt="whippa.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":dance" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" /> (and I don't mean the IRS)
 
That is VERY true. The Build 13 update MUST be STABLE and FINISHED.

To Petros: LOL! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
To Petros: LOL! Simply LOL! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rofl" border="0" alt="24.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- New non movie-related quests: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- Bartolomeu o Portugues quest - Bartolomeu looking for his crew
- Santiago Search quest - Bartolomeu "sequel": Hunt for Bartolomeu's ship
- Turks Help quest - involving Pieter defending the pirate town Turks
- Pieter at Douwesen - once the Turks Help quest is completed, you can hire Pieter as companion
- Missing Man quest - search for the lost father of a girl
- Tortuga Atmosphere - the fights and ladies in Tortuga town as well as the running monk and skeleton
- First Contact quest - non-movie quest involving Davy Jones stealing a governor's daughter
- Silver Train quest - non-movie quest involving Will and Elizabeth searching for treasure on Battle Rocks

<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- Improved town locations: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- AoP Tortuga (added by Maximus)
- AoP Guadeloupe (added by Maximus)
- New town: AoP Charlestown (added by Thomas the Terror)
- Retextured Havana (by Thomas the Terror)
- Retextured and remodeled Marigot (by Thomas the Terror)
- Retextured and remodeled Philipsburg (by Thomas the Terror)
- Retextured and remodeled Port au Prince (by CouchcaptainCharles)
- Retextured Santiago (by Thomas the Terror)
- Remodeled Santo Domingo (by CouchcaptainCharles)

<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- Other ships: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- "War_Pinnace": War Pinnace by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Third_Rate": Royal Navy Ship of the Line 74 gun skinned by Seb coded by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Lineship": Royal Navy Lineship skinned by Seb coded in by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Fourth_Rate": Royal Navy Fourth Rate Ship skinned by Seb coded in by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Heavy_Frigate": Royal Navy Heavy Frigate skinned by Seb coded in by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Light_Frigate": Royal Navy Light Frigate skinned by Seb coded in by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Brig_16gun": Royal Navy 16 gun Brig by Thomas the Terror
- "RN_Sloop_of_War": Royal Navy Sloop of War by Thomas the Terror
- "SchoonerAm1_47": Colonial Fast Schooner by Thomas the Terror
- "Col_SloopofWar": Colonial Sloop of War Thomas the Terror
- "theBlackPearl": The Black Pearl by Kazeite (improved)
- "CursedPearl": The Cursed Pearl by Kazeite
- "WickedWench": The Wicked Wench by Kazeite
- "FlyingDutchman": Flying Dutchman - Model from Russian SLiB Mod, Modified by Thomas the Terror
- "CursedDutchman": Cursed Flying Dutchman - Model from Russian SLiB Mod, Modified by Razor
- "Endeavour": Endeavour - Model from VCO, Modified by Razor
- "GalleonC3": Galleon C3 - Model from VCO online, Modified by Razor
- "FastCaravel": Bartolomeu's ship (Santiago) by Bartolomeu o Portugues
- "FastGalleon1": Fast Galleon (FastGalleon1) from AOP added by pirate_kk, retextured by Thomas the Terror
- "FastGalleon2": Fast Galleon (FastGalleon2) from AOP added by pirate_kk
- "SloopBrig": "Brig rigged Sloop" (HMS Sophie) by Cpt.Daniel Wolf
- "LightBrig1": Light Brig (LightBrig1) from AOP added by pirate_kk, retextured by Thomas the Terror
- "LightBrig2": Light Brig (LightBrig2) from AOP added by pirate_kk, retextured by Thomas the Terror
- "Brig3": Brig SS (Brig3 from SLiB) by KevAtl
- "Corvette4": Corvette SS (Corvette4 from SLiB) by KevAtl
- "Corvette5": Corvette SL (Corvette5 from SLiB) by KevAtl
- "Manowar_spa": Manowar SS (Manowar_spa from SLiB) by KevAtl
- "Manowar4": Manowar SL (Manowar3 from SLiB) added by KevAtl
- "Battleship5": Battleship SS (Battleship3 from SLiB) added by KevAtl
- "Galeon3": Galleon SL (Galeon3 from SLiB) added by KevAtl
- "Fleut3": Fleut SL (Fleut3 from SLiB) Added by KevAtl
- "Corvette1_47": Corvette1_47 model by Sprut (Slib) code Thomas the Terror
- "BritishWarship": British Warship by Thomas the Terror
- "FrenchFrigate": French Frigate by Seb
- "FrenchCorvette": French Corvette by Seb
- "Cutter2": British Cutter by Thomas the Terror
- "Corvette6": Cursed Corvette, Reskined corvette by Cylon13
- "Fearless4": Fearless4 Warship - Skin by Seb coded by KevAtl
- "Battleship3_46": Battleship 6, Skin by Seb Code by KevAtl
- "Blackpearl3": British Lineship 2 skin by Seb code by KevAtl
- "Fearless3": British Warship - Skin by Seb coded by KevAtl
- "Frigate5_46": British Frigate 2 - Skin by Seb coded by KevAtl

<!--quoteo(post=219711:date=Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM:name=KevinAtlanta)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Nov 1 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]219711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- Other characters: <i>Build 13 update</i> - <b>is there a complete list?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- "Blaze5" by Thomas the Terror
- "Blaze6" by Thomas the Terror
- "Blaze7" by Thomas the Terror
- "Hero1": Peter Blood by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Jack_DMC" by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Jack_Skel" by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Ltsparrow" by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Cptsparrow" by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Cosparrow" by Thomas the Terror
- "Mdnorrington" by Thomas the Terror
- "Ltnorrington" by Thomas the Terror
- "Cpnorrington" by Thomas the Terror
- "Conorrington" by Thomas the Terror
- "47_Norrington_Pirate" by Thomas the Terror
- "liz2" added by Maximus
- "Offic_en77" by Deringer
- "Offi_fra77" by Deringer
- "Offic_spa77" by Deringer
- "Offic_per" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Sold_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sol2_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sol3_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sol4_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sol5_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sol6_Eng77" by Deringer
- "Sold_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Sold2_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Sold3_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Sold4_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Sold5_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Sold6_Fran77" by Deringer
- "Soldier_Per" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Soldier_Per2" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Soldier_Per3" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Soldier_Per4" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Soldier_Per5" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "Soldier_Per6" from stock game, re-added by Pirate_KK
- "bocman2" by Kazeite
- "bocman5" by Kazeite, reskinned by Thomas the Terror
- "Assassin" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "mowngirl7" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "Vito" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "mowngirl5" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "ancient" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "bugmanpirat14" by Sir Christopher Mings
- "Eitc_cpt1_47" by Thomas the Terror
- "Eitc_cpt2_47" by Thomas the Terror
- "Eitc_lt1_47" by Thomas the Terror
- "Eitc_lt2_47" by Thomas the Terror
- "Eitc_lt3_47" by Thomas the Terror
- "lt_Horatio_Hornblower" by Thomas the Terror
- "spa_lut_18" by JMV
- "spa_adm_18" by JMV
- "fra_18_O" by JMV
- "fra_adm_18" by JMV
- "fra_cpt_18" by JMV
- "fra_lut_18" by JMV
- "18SO" by JMV
- "spa_cpt_18" by JMV
- "brtbath_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtadm1_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtadm2_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtcpt1_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtcpt2_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtlut1_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtlut2_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtlut3_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtoffic18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtmds1_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtmds2_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtmds3_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "brtmds4_18" by Thomas the Terror
- "Hero" added by Maximus
- "Espinosa" added by Maximus
- "Youngman" added by Maximus
- "Chard" added by Maximus
- "Chard2" added by Maximus
- "Chard3" added by Maximus
- "BigPirate" added by Maximus
- "ThomasLinch" added by Maximus
- "MorrisWillams" added by Maximus
- "Diz1" added by Maximus
- "Diz2" added by Maximus
- "Gaskon" added by Maximus
- "Mansfield" added by Maximus
- "Modyford" added by Maximus
- "Ostin" added by Maximus
- "Morgan" added by Maximus
- "Downgir51" added by Maximus
- "Downgir52" added by Maximus
- "Downgir53" added by Maximus
- "Downgirl1" added by Maximus
- "Downgirl2" added by Maximus
- "Downgirl3" added by Maximus
- "prison_3" added by Maximus
- "prison_4" added by Maximus
- "prison_5" added by Maximus
- "AnnaDeLeiva" added by Maximus
 
Thanks Pieter!

I think I have all the data for SHIPS, however, I may need some links for (or pointers to) the data files for QUESTS and LOCATIONS. Hopefully, I can find them all on the FTP.

kevin
 
I updated my previous post to add the character models list. Tomorrow I will upload a new Alpha 8 WIP game version for modders including all RESOURCE files you might be missing.
 
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