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Captain Python's P! 2 Thread (Former: I'm not buying this!)

Captain_Python

Captain_Python

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Hi all, I haven't played Pirates! 2 yet, and it just came out, but with the reviews I have heard, there is no way I am buying this. This is sounding worse than Sea Dogs! Repetative gaming, can't buy ships, awfull dancing, steriotypes... This sounds like all the other games they got out there, with the exception of the Pirates of the Burning Sea. I can't wait for that.

P.S. Don't say I since I haven't been around on this forum for a while. Just post here if you aren't going to buy it and other reasons why not.
 
You, my friend, are ill informed <i>(Keith).</i>

1. The reviews actually been very good:
<a href="http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/915017.asp?q=pirates" target="_blank">http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/915...7.asp?q=pirates</a>

2. You come on the Pirates board to tell us that YOU aren't going to buy it. Great. Why do you think we should care?
 
Define repetitive?

I would say POTC is more repetitive because there are only 6 islands and you spend a lot of time going back and forth to trade goods (which you are obviously interested in because you are upset about buying ships, when you can get ships easily by fighting)

Halo is repetitive. Diablo 1 and 2 were repetitive.

The dancing is not that bad actually. I am not sure what you mean by stereotypes. Historically, Pirates is very accurate. Should perhaps, there have been a Dutch Treasure Fleet to erase the Spanish "stereotype"??
 
i bought the game. I had been looking forward to it since i like Pirate games, but i didnt buy PotC since i thought this would be much better since it had Sid Meiers name on it, and because of that i thought it'd have alot of depth. Sad to say it doesnt. I cant believe they worked on this game for as long as they did, and this is all they came up with, the depth imo is very much lacking. I almsot think they took out some parts maybe and just sold us the base game, then plan on adding expansion packs to add the depth to it, i almsot hope thats the case even if its a lame move by them.

I enjoyed it for about 1 night, but i agree w/ that thread that it feels like i've done everything. And everything isnt even that much imo. I wouldnt reccomend this right now to any friends, in fact i'd tell them to hold off until some mods come out or at least an expansion. The value of the game is really poor, since the replayability is the same old stuff over and over again. Its got some fun parts, its just that they dont stay fun because theres nothing really new and you come to expect everything due to the lack of depth.

I think it can be a great game if someone were to add alot more to it, like alot more ships that can be bought/traded, more pirate personalities, more quests for more diverse items, more stuff to trade from city to city, maybe even a blackmarket trade, and stuff like that. The dancing gets really repetetive, i honestly hate doing the dancing now, the rewards most of the time arent even worth the hassle. I wish there were an option to turn down escort jobs, sometimes i dont even want to click on the governor because i might get one. All in all, the game could use alot more depth, and would've thought a game with outdated graphics like this one would have it. Too bad it doesnt because it could be great if it did <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
Well... I can't see what everybody expected. If they buy a game beause of a name stuck onto it, they're just fooling themselves. I knew exactly what was coming to me, when they said they wanted to keep the same basic gameplay, and I wasn't disappointed. Pirates! was never supposed to be an rpg, it's supposed to be a fun action/adventure with strategy elements, and that's what's been missing in all those other games. Tortuga was a step in the right direction, had the gameplay been any good. Port Royale tries to do Patrician and Pirates! at the same time, and the gameplay lacks any kind of enjoyment, particularly the `sea-battles` and such. Pirates of the Caribbean was... simply a horribly simplistic rpg, and all the faults it had actually outweighed the fun.

Pirates! is in my eyes what all the other games couldn't do, and done properly. Day and night. That's the difference that I see. If you knew what to expect, you wouldn't have been dissapointed. If people think the old game was any different, or any less repetetive, they need to pick it up and play it again. The nostalgia is blinding you. All others, who never even tried Pirates! once, you probably didn't know WHAT to expect.

I'm actually glad I finally get a game that doesn't try to be EVERYTHING. We have enough of that already, this game is what gaming is all about.
 
Cpt. StarEye:

I agree. I just loaded up POTC for a hour of gaming. While it does have a lot more depth (especially since all the builds), it just isn't FUN.

Thats right folks its all about FUN. Remember this.
 
<!--QuoteBegin-donjn+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(donjn)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cpt. StarEye:

I agree. I just loaded up POTC for a hour of gaming. While it does have a lot more depth (especially since all the builds), it just isn't FUN.

Thats right folks its all about FUN. Remember this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I also have to agree, people exspect too much and this alone tells me its not the game for them, this game will continue to exspend im sure of that, its early days as yet
 
Re: I'm not buying this!

<!--QuoteBegin-Captain_Python+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Captain_Python)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not buying this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ok, whats your point? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
Well, for those that bought it and did not like it, I'm sorry you made a bad purchase. Nothing worse than spending loot on a game that disappoints. For those who have not bought it, you really should give it a whirl, especially if you enjoyed the original. But, if you decide you don't want it because of comments you have seen on message boards, that's fine. There'll be one more copy on the shelves for someone who DOES want it. But, keep this in mind... people who don't like something are ALWAYS more vocal about it than those that do like it. Why? Because the people who DO like are playing it right now <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Man, this forum has changed since I left. People use to post opinions like this all the time. I posted it on here to express my opinoin, and to see if anyone else had the same opinion and to see if some of you could convince me to buy it. And who of you have the right to call me a moron? I'm no moron. If you knew who I am, you would know I am one of the smartest people on this forum, especially in the real history of Piracy. I have my own private article section, called "Pirate's Life." This smiley: <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" /> is sort of dedicated to me for goodness sakes! Be carefull swinging moron around.
Anyways, If I'm going to spend $50 on this, I don't want a game that has the common innacuracies of history, and have the same tasks to do all the time like in POTC or SD. I have read a few of these forum's review, and this is coming from people who played it. I think I should save my money, at least until the price comes down.
 
Well... I'm a tad intimidated by your knowledge and your modesty. But, I do agree that the moron comment was uncalled for.

If you want historical accuracy, don't buy the game. If you loved reading "Under the Black Flag", especially all the parts that debunk much of the "pirate myth", don't buy it. But, if you enjoy a good time, and can see the piratey "goodness" of a good Hollywood'ish swashbuckler, then it will be money well spent.
 
What i hate is when people want to act like its everyone elses fault for purchasing a game and not knowing every liittle thing about it. No, we didnt all play the first one, was that a requirement? No, we didnt all play beta, was that a requirement? No, we didnt all follow the game from creation to now and read everything the makers had to say and what its supposed to be, nor have most consumers :p And even then to act like we should all know EXACTLY how the game is before we buy w/o a demo is just assanine.

Altho thats not hte first time i've heard the blame placed on the consumer for criticizing a game, its just very annoying to hear that from very ignorant people who cant handle criticism of a game <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="8)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />
 
so do I, so i think ill change it <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Python, I think Pirates! appeals to a whole different group than what POTC did, even then POTC didnt appeal that much either was only the modding that did but the new group are not into the whole history life of pirates more "Im playing cause i think its a cool game" not that there is anything wrong wioth that at all but just an observation i've made
 
errr i think i posted that in the wrong thread, so disregard it if you wrent the one blaming everyone who bought it for not knowing everything single thing about it, and exactly how the game played
 
Not quite sure what your point is there rohbshop. It's certainly not a requirement to have played the original, been a beta tester OR to have followed the game's development. I think many people who are completely ignorant to the game and it's history will enjoy it. In fact, I'm sure of it. But, for those of us who played the original, and longed for a remake, it's just nice to finally see it. And for betatesters (like me) it's even more fun to have kinda been a part of that remake.

I don't mind criticism of a game, though I prefer it to be from someone who's played it. And I AM truly sorry that you don't like it. I really wish that everyone enjoyed it the way I do... I find it to be SO much fun!
 
ah, but it IS kinda up to the consumer to do some research before buying a game. I mean, complaining about Sid Meier's Pirates! is kinda silly, when you consider all the other shit that's been released lately. Pirates! was never an rpg, but it seems to me that most of you who complains about this was expecting an rpg. If you want your money worth, you do a little research before buying. That's kind of a golden rule, don't you think?

You can't buy a game based on a name, developer, theme or genre only. If you want to avoid a bad purchase, you read up. If you're main gripes about the game is that it's not what you had in mind or expected, then it's either A) a bad game, or B) the consumers fault for not reading up on the game.

In this case, I can safely say it's the consumers fault, because Sid Meier always said that this was a remake, and since it's a remake, you should have expected it to be just an updated version of the original. Because that's what it is. If people buy it because it has "Sid Meier's" printed on it, or if they buy it because "there are pirates in it", it's absolutely the consumers fault.

I'm just talking generally here. The bottom line is, you can't judge a book by it's cover. That means you don't buy games that you don't know anything about, unless you can afford to throw money out the window.
 
I will say this, just about anything with Sid's name on it will be worth a look though. I honestly do buy everything he develops. Usually sight unseen. Can't think of any dissapointment in recent years, though there might have been a lemon or two back in the Microprose days <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Damn, I'm old.
 
Captain_Python: I am sorry I called you a moron however, once again you said something that just does not sit well with me.

Yes, these boards are for opinions and usually those opinions are by
those people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME. There is a big difference when someone posts their frustration during playing and when someone makes a pointless post about why THEY are not going to buy the game. Especially when they are formualting their opinins off of a couple people's posts. For every negative post, there are 20 of us playing the game, too busy to post because we are having so much fun. Show me one PERFECTLY historical Pirate game without any flaws about history, or a game that perhaps left something out or altered something slightly to increase the fun of the game.

I used to be like you. With football and baseball games. The stats had to be perfect, everything had to be `uber-realistic`. I am 34 now and I want is for a game to be fun, and I dont need to be one of the smartest people on this forum, especially in the real history of Piracy to know that...
 
Are you a mentally inflexible <i>(Keith)</i> Capt. Stareye? You mus be. You do realize the first one was never a requirement to purchase this one, right? You do realize half the people purchasing this one have no clue it was based off another one, nor is that mentioned on the box i believe. Even then i'd love for you to post a description of the game written ANYWHERE that gives everyone a perfect sense of what the game is like, shortcomings that are being said here and all. I guarantee you their advertising of the game didnt give everyone a perfect sense of the game, and how its all our faults for not knowing every pro and con beforehand is beyond me. I swear you have to be mentally inflexible <i>(Keith)</i> to think that way.

I've purchased and played ALOT of games and there hasnt been one where people could get an exact feel of what the game was like, both good and bad, just from what the makers had to say. To blame the consumers for not knowing EVERYTHING about the game before they bought it is mentally inflexible <i>(Keith)</i>, and i think your mentally inflexible <i>(Keith)</i> to say that.

Sorry to be so rude, but where you place the blame offends me as a consumer and someone who knows better. I'll be waiting for some quotes that were released publicly by the gamemakers that tell each and every one of us EXACTLY how the game is on a level where we know just as well as having played it. Bet ya cant find one :p

and i'm not saying the game is terrible, nor am i saying its perfect, nor am i saying i regret buying it. Its definitely got its issues from making it a great game. The fact that people cant handle what keeps it from being great is sad, and trying to overlook it or excuse it is sadder. But to blame the customer for not knowing EXACTLY how it played before buying? Are you kidding me? Pffft, think up a better excuse next time to excuse any crticisms :p
 
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