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First attempts in skinning

Seb, a question? After the RN is finished, could you create a pack of USN ships? Brig, schooner, Sloop of War, Light Frigates (Corvette, Heavy Frigate, Two Decker (Fearless or Battleship).
What do you think?

Does anyone here skin characters? If so, it would be cool to take the JMV skins, the British ones, and re-do the collars and cuffs.

A guideline to American uniforms can be found on my squadron's website. The link is posted in my signature.
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> One and All,

Firstly, nice skins Seb!!!

Secondly some answers to questions.

Have tested out the new RN models in game and they're looking pretty fine.
Nelson they will all appear by rating number. ie. Third Rate 70 Gun. etc.
They are only available to England.
I will get the pack on ftp as soon as we have the complete set. (Next week???)
Ships included so far are: Hawk's 74 gun sol - 3rd Rate(hope you don't mind Hawk)
Hawk's old 64 gun - £rd Rate (this uses Hawk's walk file and masts and Seb's Fearless skin)
Seb's Battleship 70 Gun 3rd Rate.
52 Gun 4th Rate uses the Fearless reworking (but would prefer to use lineship reworking have you got this Seb?)
44 Gun 5th Rate Frigate

Still waiting for the line ship a manowar, and corvette.
I have a suggestion that we could use a Manowar skin as a 90 gun 2nd Rate. - Any comments???


Thomas - Dutch fleet is planned for after completion of the French Fleet.
Commodore JPJ we don't have any plans for US fleet (as yet!)

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I plan to reskin Hawk's wonderful ship for the pack, I'll see if I make a Manowar before Captain Spectre finishes his victory, As said Jackamo, then i'll finish the french fleet (This will may give us nice trafalgar like battles), then the Dutch fleet, I also have to work for the own town mod, and then, why not an US skin pack? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
I'll keep adding them as long as you keep skinning them. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":dance" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" />
 
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<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> One and All,

Firstly, nice skins Seb!!!

Secondly some answers to questions.

Have tested out the new RN models in game and they're looking pretty fine.
Nelson they will all appear by rating number. ie. Third Rate 70 Gun. etc.
They are only available to England.
I will get the pack on ftp as soon as we have the complete set. (Next week???)
Ships included so far are: Hawk's 74 gun sol - 3rd Rate(hope you don't mind Hawk)
Hawk's old 64 gun - £rd Rate (this uses Hawk's walk file and masts and Seb's Fearless skin)
Seb's Battleship 70 Gun 3rd Rate.
52 Gun 4th Rate uses the Fearless reworking (but would prefer to use lineship reworking have you got this Seb?)
44 Gun 5th Rate Frigate

Still waiting for the line ship a manowar, and corvette.
I have a suggestion that we could use a Manowar skin as a 90 gun 2nd Rate. - Any comments???


Thomas - Dutch fleet is planned for after completion of the French Fleet.
Commodore JPJ we don't have any plans for US fleet (as yet!)

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Looks good. Don't forget to put in the Sloop-of-War and brig, we want a complete selection of RN ships! (We could also throw in the red ensign/flag mod. Also, Dan t L Wolf, could you please give us the links to those amazingly realistic cannons, ship wheel, anchor?! We really need to put those on EVERYTHING!)

I hope that the USN comes out soon after the French Navy pack! Really, when it comes to ships... the American and French designs were similar. They even had similar paintjobs. The French began to paint their ships in the black wash,white gundeck scheme with gold trim on the bow and stern. Just take that gold trim, turn it white... American! But, if we want the French to look different from the USN, we could do the French in the black wash, dark red gundeck scheme.
 
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Looks good. Don't forget to put in the Sloop-of-War and brig, we want a complete selection of RN ships! (We could also throw in the red ensign/flag mod. Also, Dan t L Wolf, could you please give us the links to those amazingly realistic cannons, ship wheel, anchor?! We really need to put those on EVERYTHING!)

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The Sloop and the Brig won't be a problem to add, but I'm not sure if they are skinned in the right colour scheme. I'll check this out when I'm home. In the ship_init.c there are a couple of Brigs that are only available to England (can't remember who modded them-sorry), so it's probably not worth me adding them in again.
 
Regarding Flags:

This could be included in the pack, but there are so many flag options on the ftp I think it would be better to leave this down to personal choice.
 
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I plan to reskin Hawk's wonderful ship for the pack, I'll see if I make a Manowar before Captain Spectre finishes his victory, As said Jackamo, then i'll finish the french fleet (This will may give us nice trafalgar like battles), then the Dutch fleet, I also have to work for the own town mod, and then, why not an US skin pack? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Because it doesn't really fit into the game. I'm afraid that, if a US navy pack is made, it will not make it into the Post Build 12 modpack. Not as being US ships anyway. If they can be US ships used by other nations instead, that is fine. The US Navy pack should be an additional download then.

And I want DUTCH ships! Heck; We have more typically US ships than typically Dutch ships, because we don't have ANY typically Dutch ships. AAARGH! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
*Just kidding*
 
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I plan to reskin Hawk's wonderful ship for the pack, I'll see if I make a Manowar before Captain Spectre finishes his victory, As said Jackamo, then i'll finish the french fleet (This will may give us nice trafalgar like battles), then the Dutch fleet, I also have to work for the own town mod, and then, why not an US skin pack? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Because it doesn't really fit into the game. I'm afraid that, if a US navy pack is made, it will not make it into the Post Build 12 modpack. Not as being US ships anyway. If they can be US ships used by other nations instead, that is fine. The US Navy pack should be an additional download then.

And I want DUTCH ships! Heck; We have more typically US ships than typically Dutch ships, because we don't have ANY typically Dutch ships. AAARGH! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
*Just kidding*
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I've got to agree with Pieter. Since the majority of POTC players (and modders) are not hell bent on re-enacting the 1812 war or Trafalgar, the ships that really need skinned are the French, Dutch (who were a major force in the caribbean and foes to everyone else pretty much) and the Spanish (who are strangely not the bad guys so much in POTC). Of course, modders mod according to their whims in the end. But where they are feeling particularly altruistic (us gamers have needs), think of the majority please!
Bottom line...the game, Build and Post-Build etc are set in the 1690s not 1800s.
 
Your enthousiasm delights me, but unfortunetaly, i'll have an hard period those days, I've plenty of work to do in my real life, plenty, all that amount of work will forbid me skinning for a few days, maybe 2 weeks I'd prefer skinning 100000 times, but unfortunately

I've to turn my film this week end, and it's preparation isn't finished yet the second film to prepare, a file on the black movies period to complete with a sequence analyse to prepare, I'm sound operator and script on friends of mine films, in the meantime, I've my trimestrial evaluations to prepare and to pass, then i'll be in Paris for a few days... My head is blowing up thinking about all the things i've to do,

I'm thinking about those great projects each day, but 'im afraid that they'll have to wait, i'll do the best i can, but for now, my real life has to prime... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" /> These days are for me crucial days, and i can't permit myself to miss what i've to do

But don't fear anything, event if it takes time, all those projects will be born, their will be fleuts and galleons raising the green dutch.

By the way

Captain Jackamo, I've uploaded "surprise supefrigate" and "yellow and black lineship" on ftp, that's great work you make <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Don't worry Seb'. Modding should always be less important than your real life (something I sometimes tend to forget). Just take all the time you need to finish your real life work and, once you are done, you will be more than welcome here again. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
I myself will be quite busy with schoolwork these two weeks as well. I am hoping to do some modding between my schoolwork, but I don't know what or how much I'll be able to get done. But once I'm done with my exams, I will be back as usual. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" />
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Once all of that will be ended, this will give us a great amount of ship, the dutch merchant vessel would form a great west indian company as suggested, that would give nations a speality, french and english at war, Holland has a nation of merchants, i think that doing it i'll also make dutch warships to provide an escort to merchants convoys
 
Thanks Seb.

I'll pull them off the ftp now.
I've got a load of RL stuff on too at the moment, so slowly does it with the modding. We'll get there in the end though <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Edit: Can't think why anyone would want to move to AOP when there's so much great stuff in the pipeline here.
The game world of POTC and the possibilities of what your character can do just keep on growing.
 
Commodore JPJ

There are already 16, 18 and 20 Gun brigs only available to England in the ship_init.c file, so these won't be added to the new RN pack. Might cahnge some of the code so that they appear in the shipyard as "HM.Brig 16Gun" etc. to keep with the naval / military feel.
Will add the Sloop of War though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" />
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> Well Done Seb', tis a very fine thing yew be doin, tew color up these here "bumboats" sew nice an prettie, an tew make em look more man-o-war fashion.

The proper colors of English Naval ships of this time period were "Black and Buff" which as you know was a sort of Yellow Sand.....with a little "orangie" tint too it. But normally this color stipe was "only" around the Cannon Port levels and not used anywhere else. So a frigate with one row of Cannons or one deck, had one Buff Stripe. And a Two Decker would have two stripes etc. The Figurehead and around the rest of the ship especially around the stern, there was alot of Gold Trim. Each Captain was sort of responsible for keeping the "Gilt" or Gold trim replaced out of his own pocket, and you could usually tell from looking at the "Gilt" something about the Captain. Usually the smarter the Gold Paint which was heavily "leaded" the more prosperous the Captain. This doesn't mean they were timmed in gold alot, just that what there was of it, was kept well painted and furnished by there personal Captains. Course alot of Captains were well off and sometimes upper class, so they could cheat and show off a well painted ship, without being successful at all. Still all and all the English ships were not "over done" with brilliant colors, as being at sea alot, and Blockading Europe almost constanly for years, the heavy seas washed most of the paint away, making them look well used.

The French as far as I can tell, used Red for the their Gun Decks, although I gather some Blue also appeared, now this may have been attempt to distingiush between Atlantic, and Mediterean fleets, but again individual Captains preference would play alot here. They were usually alot more colorful around their Sterns, and had alot more decorative Woodwork. That plus they seemed to have had more exotic names, like Le Glorieux, but this was probably more to the fact that they used the "Le" or "the" prefix alot.

The Spanish love their Gold trim and there was alot of Decorations on most of their navy ships, but on their merchant ones they were almost bare and poor looking.

Don't mean to give you a lesson, but as everyone was debating the colors earlier in this thread thought I would help a little having some small knowledge. As for our American cousins and other nationalities, a little more reading and information will not come amiss, and by the time you get through all the ships everyone wants you to do, maybe a clearer look at that time period will reveal other common scemes.

Keep up the excellent work and I can't wait to see more of your work in POTC
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> Mateys

As Seb' is so busy at the moment, I thought I'd have a go at a bit of skinning work myself.
So this is my first attempt at a 6th Rate - light Frigate.
Tell me what you think, if you like it I'll stick it in the RN pack.

Jackamo
 
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