Playing as privateer for a personal nation

[ANSEL]

I'm now testing playing as privateer for a personal nation. Everything works well except
you can't get your promotion and land by the governor, so I think we need a line for personal
nations, in International Affairs.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Thanks for testing this, @ANSEL!

Are you properly showing as Privateer Captain in the F2>Character interface?
And you are not gaining any plus points with the Pirates of you sink/capture non-pirate ships?

I think more than showing in Nations Relations, you would need to have a governor to talk to.
What happens if you capture a town for yourself and install a governor?
Can you cash in on your promotions then?

 

[Grey Roger]

What happens if you capture a town for yourself and install a governor?
Can you cash in on your promotions then?

Everything works well except you can't get your promotion and land by the governor...

The problem seems to be in "PROGRAM\DIALOGS\governor.c". There's a big block which starts with 'if (sti(NPChar.nation) != PERSONAL_NATION)' and which contains all the usual governor stuff - buying a LoM, leaving service, getting promoted, etc. Then there's an 'else' which is what happens if you are PERSONAL_NATION, and is either colony management or quests.

If you're playing PERSONAL_NATION then either you're independent of nations, in which case you don't want to bother with the normal stuff; or you're trying to pretend to belong to a nation not normally included in the game.

In the former case, you don't ask governors for promotions because if there are any governors, you're the one who put them there. You're their boss - you're the head of state of your own nation. The purpose of going to the governor of one of your colonies is to give him his orders - in other words, colony management. If you want to promote yourself to Lieutenant, Commodore, or Grand Supreme Admiral of the Entire Sea, you just change your name accordingly. This would seem to be how governors for PERSONAL_NATION are set up. And you don't need to get promotions to earn land because instead of taxes from some abstract estate somewhere in the world, you get taxes from the colony you took over for yourself.

But if you want to use PERSONAL_NATION as if it were another actual nation then you want your governors to behave like governors. One snag is that normal governor dialog relating to promotions includes a call on 'GetNationRoyalByType' to say that if you received some land as part of the promotion, it was the nation's king who approved it. "PERSONAL_NATION" doesn't have a king.

 

[ANSEL]

What happens if you capture a town for yourself and install a governor?
Can you cash in on your promotions then?

That's what I have done. I can get my payment for taking care of enemy ships, by the governor, that's all.
By the way the game freeze when renaming Port Royal to Christiansted!

"PERSONAL_NATION" doesn't have a king.

Well! I pretend as" Personal Nation" is Denmark

 

[ANSEL]

Are you properly showing as Privateer Captain in the F2>Character interface?

No! I'm showing as Pirate Captain!

 

[Grey Roger]

Well! I pretend as" Personal Nation" is Denmark

Yes, but the game doesn't recognise Denmark and has no king assigned to it. So even if "governor.c" were modified to treat PERSONAL_NATION the same as other nations, it wouldn't work properly because when the dialog gets to awarding land and says "In addition, you are awarded x acres of land by order of <insert name here>", it won't know which name to insert.

No! I'm showing as Pirate Captain!

That would be because you've been attacking ships without a LoM from any recognised nation. And that's piracy. It's also why your "International Affairs" screen shows Spain, Portugal and Sweden as "wary". You might not have been attacking their ships but attacks on English ships and colonies is piracy without a LoM, so even without being attacked, they turn "wary", while Pirates are now your new best friends.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

No! I'm showing as Pirate Captain!

Ah, then it totally doesn't work and effectively you don't get a LoM from "Personal Nation".
So that functionality would need to be added first.

That's what I have done. I can get my payment for taking care of enemy ships, by the governor, that's all.

Ah, but that's always possible from non-hostile nations.

Yes, but the game doesn't recognise Denmark and has no king assigned to it. So even if "governor.c" were modified to treat PERSONAL_NATION the same as other nations, it wouldn't work properly because when the dialog gets to awarding land and says "In addition, you are awarded x acres of land by order of <insert name here>", it won't know which name to insert.

"the leader"?

 

[ANSEL]

That would be because you've been attacking ships without a LoM from any recognised nation. And that's piracy. It's also why your "International Affairs" screen shows Spain, Portugal and Sweden as "wary". You might not have been attacking their ships but attacks on English ships and colonies is piracy without a LoM, so even without being attacked, they turn "wary", while Pirates are now your new best friends.

Ah, then it totally doesn't work and effectively you don't get a LoM from "Personal Nation".
So that functionality would need to be added first.

Well, the ships log says I have got a LoM.
but apparently it isn't so.
And yes the pirates are friendly, I was attack by one pirate ship witch I sank, but no other pirate have attacked me.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Well, the ships log says I have got a LoM.

Probably the game doesn't properly recognize a "personal LoM".
It would have surprised me if it did, because the game was never designed to support that.
I think some more tweaking of the code will be needed to get this fully operational.

 

[ANSEL]

Yes this is how it must be.

 

[DeathDaisy]

Regarding royalty etc, would it be possible to just change that through the console for personal nation until we come up with a more elegant solution?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

There is very little you can't do through console.

 

[Grey Roger]

It would have to be done through console, the reason being that everyone will have their own preferred personal nation - that's the idea. So you can't put, for example, set "periods.c" to make the king of PERSONAL_NATION be the king of Denmark because the next person might want to play Russia, Ireland, or Grand Fenwick.

 

[Homo eructus]

Them put a generic blanket statement like "our country's authorities" or something like that

 

[ANSEL]

So you can't put, for example, set "periods.c" to make the king of PERSONAL_NATION be the king of Denmark because the next person might want to play Russia, Ireland, or Grand Fenwick.

Denmark is one of the nations who was in Caribbean and had colonies to. Now we have Sweden, we ought to have Denmark to

 

[DeathDaisy]

Denmark is one of the nations who was in Caribbean and had colonies to. Now we have Sweden, we ought to have Denmark to

well, I have seen GuestNation2 in the code. dunno if that works or where it's used, but maybe it could be put added with some work? thatd also mean sweden and denmark has someone to constantly war with through every period

 

[Pieter Boelen]

It would have to be done through console, the reason being that everyone will have their own preferred personal nation - that's the idea. So you can't put, for example, set "periods.c" to make the king of PERSONAL_NATION be the king of Denmark because the next person might want to play Russia, Ireland, or Grand Fenwick.

@Homo eructus' suggestion sounds like a good default to me.

well, I have seen GuestNation2 in the code. dunno if that works or where it's used, but maybe it could be put added with some work? thatd also mean sweden and denmark has someone to constantly war with through every period

I think, in theory, it should be possible to make that work.