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AI, Aye-aye!

SirChristopherMings

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I've been finding the AI in POTC very intriguing of late, and thought I'd start a thread to discuss the things that I've noticed and hopefully hear what anomalies other people have run across. I want to stress that I don't consider the game's AI buggy, I'm more interested in gaining a better understanding of why it does, what it does, when it does it. I am still playing the Build 12 release, with no updates, and I alternate between a new uncompleted game, and my 1702, level 306 captain (who still has not mastered the art of opening chests without stabbing himself) game that I am loathe to part with. (Still going...)

Keep in mind that when I am playing the game I will often do things, just to see what happens, whenever an odd notion presents itself to me; I have often brought officers with me into the pyramid maze, and then dismissed them so I can follow them to see where they go, I often wonder if anyone else has noticed the severe shortage of eagles flying about the islands of the archipelago? I have still not successfully managed to shoot a shark with my cannons.

1. When sailing on the "Sea" map, I'll often engage or encounter the battles between parties that I'm neutral with, and just sit back and watch to see how the event plays out. Interestingly enough, most of the time a severely damaged ship will break off the action and sail away, and the enemy, even if they only have light damage, will usually not pursue them. The only times I've seen ships sinking in these battles is when a schooner or some other lighter vessel goes up against a Man O' War, and this usually looks more like the effect of overwhelming firepower rather than malicious intent or design.

2. Some officers follow directions better than others. This one really intrigues me because I tend to assign the same officers over and over again to the ships I capture, and there are some officers that I have determined simply do not catch on to the signals I send them. I am no longer willing to assign Danielle because she invariably "Sails Away", in spite of my specific directions to "Defend", and I have even heard tell of officers that refuse to perform "Fire Ship" duty. Leborio Drago, for some inexplicable reason, is the only officer who will consistently follow my signals, which is usually "Defend", and this is in spite of having a damaged ship or an inadequate number of crewmembers.

3. I will frequently gauge the mood of the men on the ships and will usually pay out the fee to get their morale at the highest level. I haven't noticed that doing this, or not, has any noticeable effect in terms of firing rates, or whether or not the ships follow directions.

4. In my really old game I have more money than God, and I'm wondering if I'm creating something of an economic Black Hole in the Archipelago. Recently I dropped in to Conceicao to see the wife and unload a few Man O' Wars I had acquired from the French Navy. I was dismayed to find that the Portuguese Shipyard could not afford to purchase the ships due to a lack of funds. I was able to deal with this by repairing the Man O' Wars and then doing a trading mission to Isla Muelle, but subsequently found at Isla Muelle that I could not sell the ships there either, for the same reason. I had to go to Redmond to finally be able to sell the ships. I wonder if my activities have created an economic imbalance within the islands. I'll be doing more research on this as time goes by. this is probably the product of having played far too much Uncharted Waters – New Horizons.

5. It has been so long since I have attacked a Pirate Ship that I have actually achieved neutrality with them. This makes entering and departing ports much less eventful, and does not appear to be affected by my accepting missions from the Governors to eliminate a pirate. the only reason I'm bringing this up is because I didn't think it could be done without becoming a pirate and going against all flags, but I guess you learn something new every day in POTC. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />
 
Yep, the AI (especially the officers) continues to mystify me, too, Sir Christopher... That darned Danielle, she has a mind of her own. Makes me wonder if she isn't set to be contrary, just to annoy you. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

The assigning of skills to officers seems flawed as some things work, while others do not. I am guessing this was an incomplete thing when Akella found itself working for THE MOUSE... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /> Nevertheless, it would be nice to have this so that it actually WORKS, instead of working intermittently. :p

I love it that you're still playing your 300+ HP game! That is awesome. I usually run all the islands out of money LONG before that! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Great to be back here and online at the same time as you. Wanna sail to Santa Catalina Island??? I just saw a recent pic from there and <sigh> I've been away MUCH too long... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ib012.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cry" border="0" alt="ib012.gif" />
 
Oh right, we want to go to <i><b>Catalina</b></i> Island. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> What's wrong with St. Kitts (Christopher) Island? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />

I hear what you're saying, rather than worry about POTC AI we should be concentrating on RL AI, which is far more buggy! I think the best thing to do would be to try to get CCC and Nathan to figure out a way to program us all into POTC. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sailr.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":sail" border="0" alt="sailr.gif" />
 
Since I am a complete rookie compared to you, I don't really have much advice, although I will say I prefer to keep my men on divide the plunder which pretty much depletes your cash every time you divide. It keeps the game a little more interesting for me at least.
 
Doober,
If I haven't said it before, Welcome to the site! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />

I've only played with the "divide the plunder" mode a couple of times, and I think that's due mostly to my innate sense of laziness. If I recall correctly, my crew, in the old game I've been hanging onto, has been at sea for 2000 + days. (However many of them have actually survived my questionable tactics & strategy) It strikes me that my crew's morale would have deteriorated long ago, at least on the salary that I'm paying them, and I might have to switch over to "No Prey No Pay" mode for a while to see how that affects some of the things I've mentioned above. For all I know that might help the economy out a bit because the Moneylenders are currently holding on to my lunch-money doubloons, from pirate grade school, for me. Thanks! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
2000 days! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /> My only problem with it is that I can never seem to make my crew very happy when I divide the plunder, but I think that is due to me waiting too long between divisions. I haven't noticed it making that big of a difference though, there are always new sea dogs willing to sign on! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sailr.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":sail" border="0" alt="sailr.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-SirChristopherMings+Oct 5 2005, 04:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SirChristopherMings @ Oct 5 2005, 04:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh right, we want to go to <i><b>Catalina</b></i> Island.  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />  What's wrong with St. Kitts (Christopher) Island?  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nothing at all, we could go there, too!!! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hear what you're saying, rather than worry about POTC AI we should be concentrating on RL AI, which is far more buggy!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Gawd, you mean POLITICS? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /> <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the best thing to do would be to try to get CCC and Nathan to figure out a way to program us all into POTC.  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sailr.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":sail" border="0" alt="sailr.gif" />
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<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /> Now THERE's a frightening thought! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rofl" border="0" alt="24.gif" />

I think we're all IN the game, at least I know I am anyhow, since I re-painted one of the French soldiers as Catalina... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /> And there is Mad Jack and Fred Bob... Skull favors the Barbossa skin, and you seem to like the Silehard skin...

Have you ever thought you'd like him re-painted to your specs?

I have had moments of thinking I'd like to re-paint some of those "pompous merchant" skins that are in the game (thinking of that one be-wigged guy with the baleful stare)... One day I may do that, put a little more spice into the game... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-CatalinaThePirate+Oct 7 2005, 12:18 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CatalinaThePirate @ Oct 7 2005, 12:18 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and you seem to like the Silehard skin...
Have you ever thought you'd like him re-painted to your specs?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Thanks, Lady Cat, but I'm working on it, <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />
<img src="http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/332ZK34H/425825.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

I'm thinking a pirate as good looking as this needs some gold filigree, so I may tinker with it some more. The model's left hand gets a little freaky looking in sword fights, but I think the size of the character can give a player a sense having more power. (Even though he presents more target area ... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> )

I've toyed with the idea of trying to set up a big bruiser looking pirate, a-la Blackbeard, with one of the heftier models, but RL intrudes far too much for me to actually produce any results.

Currently I have Skull, Mad Jack and Fred Bob accompanying me as I wander about the archipelago, but they are prohibited from participating in boarding actions because I don't want to lose them. A Catalina the Pirate would complete my crew, but I'm hoping we can steal the model, I've forgotten her name, from the upcoming AOP and transplant her into POTC. (Or transplant the rest of us into AOP!)

In my newer game I'm planning on using Fred Bob more than I do in the old one. This is because I got Fred Bob so far into that game that his experience level leaves him vulnerable. (Fed Bob is at level 78 and most of the other officers are at around 150. He's still pretty tough though, he doesn't die in the street brawls any more often than Skull, Mad Jack or myself) I'm going to be interested in seeing how Fred Bob's AI performs when I assign him command of one of the ships and see if he is inclined to "Danielle it" on me.

Popped into Douwesan last night and they are cash poor as well, there was only about 35K at the shipyard and store. I'm wondering if the Moneylenders have anything to do with the state of the island's economy. If I recall correctly, I have only deposited money with the English Moneylenders, perhaps I'll expand my portfolio and see if there are any results. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /> I forgot about your dark-haired Sir Christopher! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />

That bewigged fellow with the baleful stare is the governor of Douwesen! I had my memory refreshed when he happened to catch me casting off after having (again) procured his private stash of rum... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" /> Sure looked funny in his bathrobe with the embroidered yellow duckies all around the bottom hem and cuffs! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

On one hand I like my skin of Catalina from the French soldier,

<img src="http://www.ganotherapyusa.com/extras/catdE-1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

but on the other hand I'd really like to get her looking more like this:

<img src="http://www.ganotherapyusa.com/extras/derauso1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Ah well, one day! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":beer" border="0" alt="beer2.gif" /> Have some rum? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-CatalinaThePirate+Oct 8 2005, 02:13 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CatalinaThePirate @ Oct 8 2005, 02:13 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--><img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":beer" border="0" alt="beer2.gif" />  Have some rum?  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
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Heck, Lady Cat! I'm already at the waterfall contemplating the bankruptcy of the archipelago!
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerbz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":nerbz" border="0" alt="nerbz.gif" />

See you there! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />
 
Wow! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /> So many great skins! I really like that officer, Cat. I've always wanted to try making them but never could figure out what I needed to do it. Any starting tips for someone who would like to start? What sort of program do you need?
 
Doober,
Check out the link in Pieter Boelen's signature; <a href="http://pieter.piratesahoy.net/" target="_blank">http://pieter.piratesahoy.net/</a> , (See list of Characters in the top right corner) Not only Catalina the Pirate, but Petros, High Sea Lass, Alan Smithee, Kodo Boon, Nathan Kell & many others have made some really great models that have been added to the game. Thanks to Inez Diaz for the tool that makes it all possible as well! Thanks as well to Pieter who has set up this page, and evidently keeps updating it with more and more information!:bow

A good place to start is here; <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net/index.php?showtopic=1561" target="_blank">http://forum.piratesahoy.net/index.php?showtopic=1561</a> , this is a link to a thread that will lead you to the wiki where you will get a lot of information on how to mod the characters and what programs (free ones!) you need to download to be able to do it. Catalina has a step by step tutorial that is extremely helpful, (I know, I found it right after I had struggled along on my own <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /> ) but the guys in POTC Modding are always willing to help if there's something you're having a hard time with. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />

Not that it's terribly important, <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> but back on topic, does anyone know if there is a finite amount of money in the game? I know the islands have there own dynamics as far as economies go, but I'm still intrigued by the idea of being able to effect them. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/diomed.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":dio" border="0" alt="diomed.gif" />
 
Doober, thanks, and check out the links Sir Christopher has provided (thank you!), they will get you started on making new characters or skinning (creating different colors or outfits on existing models).

I use Photoshop, but you can, I believe, use GIMP, a graphics program that is a free download at most freeware/shareware downloading sites - I like photoshop because it allows me to work in layers, checking one layer against another, grabbing this attribute or that from other layers, &tc.

I'm not a modeler, tho. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" /> Not yet, anyhow. I do want to learn!

Most of the modders here will help you get started in the right direction, all you have to do is ask! We're glad to see more people wishing to learn! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
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