More ropes?

[lukemax]

Any plans for the (GOD LIKE) Bulid or PMT teams editing ships to add LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS & LOTS of ropes, criss crossing the ship and such, and a helm,ships bell that sorta thing

After watching M&C i realised what POTC really lacked!

Luke

 

[Cap'n Archibald McNil]

You are so correct my friend. Hopefully the new models being made for the game will have more ropes. Good to see some good ideas.

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[CatalinaThePirate]

Helms with ship's wheels were not common in the 1600's, so technically the ships are about as correct as they should be, in that respect. About all you MIGHT be able to do, correctly, is to have a rudder arm...

 

[v_Grimmelshausen]

They were not? I´m no expert, but I don´t think a Frigate or even a galleon could be maneuvered by an old- fashioned rudder arm, I do think they had rope- or chain operated wheels already by the 16th century. What do our experts say? Even though they seem to concentrate more on the 18th and early 19th century...

 

[CouchcaptainCharles]

Dutch 17th century Indiamen had a kind of leversystem below the quarterdeck, more sophisticated than a simple tiller but not yet a real wheel.

I've seen it on the Batavia, a reconstructed ship lying in Lelystad, and what amazed me most was that the men at the lever had no view of sea or sky at all. There was only a narrow opening in the quarterdeck that allowed them to view the mainsail.

<a href="http://www.bataviawerf.nl/en/batavia_virtueel.html" target="_blank">http://www.bataviawerf.nl/en/batavia_virtueel.html</a>

 

[Pieter Boelen]

You've been to the Batavia? Cool. I practically live there (other side of town).

Also: There is another reconstructed ship in the Netherlands, <a href="http://www.scheepvaartmuseum.nl/index_explorer.htm" target="_blank">The Amsterdam</a>, which I like a whooole lot better than the Batavia:

Anaway: Having been aboard her on many occasions, I know that she has a completely properly working steering wheel and she was even older than the Batavia. So working steering wheels did exist for sure on Dutch 17th century Indiamen.

 

[Cap'n Archibald McNil]

Thats all nice and all but just wondering, weren't we talking about adding ropes? Sorry if I sound harsh.

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[Pieter Boelen]

We were talking about ropes and also about ship's helms. I posted my previous post to also make clear that ship's helms were used in the 17th century as the Amsterdam's replica has one.

 

[CouchcaptainCharles]

So helms it is for those who can afford them <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

Looks like I have to visit the Amsterdam as well <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" />

 

[CatalinaThePirate]

Well again, it's the game that has us set in the late 1600's. Amsterdam sank in 1749, so she's an 18th century ship.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a ship's wheel; it's the epitome of the "romantic" vision of sailing that we all have. But if we keep true to the game dates (which are already bumped up from 1630 to 1690 by modders) then there should be no ship's wheel.

 

[NathanKell]

Props to "Captain Blood" for showing this, actually. I don't recall whether the issue arises in "The Sea Hawk"
(both in their guise as Flynn swashbucklers, not novels).

Regarding ropes: Inzane explains how ropes work in the Surprise thread, and I do a bit as well in the Ropes and Flags thread (just posted); it turns out that anyone can add sheets, halyards, and lines to their heart's content using Inez's tool to add locators.