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Original ship design of the 17th Century

Discussion in 'Storm Engine Modeling' started by Jan Marten, Mar 14, 2010.

  1. Jan Marten

    Jan Marten Master Mariner Storm Modder

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    I have been working since last year because of the game AOP II to an improved ship design. Very quickly I realized that this is not my only problem was. So now I put everything into the forum to possibly get even ideas and exchange experiences. The reconstruction of ships of the 17th century is not easy at all, just because there are almost no drawings orginale more.. The ship builders have handed this time, their secrets from father to son without the written testimonies. This does not meet the 18 century. I was lucky in Sweden contacts who helped me access to archives in England, Holland, Spain and Sweden. Thank you all. Thus I now have a fairly large archive of construction drawings for it.



    Additional source for books:

    Royal Navy History
    La Stolonomie, 1550
    Fredrick Chapman, Architectura Navalis Mercatoria, 1768
    Deux Alben des bâtiments de l'Atlantique et de la Mediterranee, 1679
    Traitté de la construction des galères 1691
    Album de Colbert, 1670.
    Elements de l archicteture navale ou pratique de la construction des vaisseaux, 1752
    John Wells, Treatise on Shipbuilding & A Treatise on Rigging , c. 1620-25
    Edmund Bushnell, The Complete Shipwright , 1669.
    Cornelis van IJk , Nederlandsche scheeps-bouw-konst open gestelt , 1697
    Ordenanzas de fábricas de navios, 1607 - 1618.
    Scientia Navalis
    El Galeon Espaniol - Gonzales
    El galeon de 16 codos
    Galeon Andalucia
    New Vanguard 096 - Spanish Galleon 1530-1690
    Ships and Work Boats of New Netherland 1609-1674
    Standardization of Spain Shipbulding 1607-1618
    Glete-SwedishWarshipList1521-1721
    The History of the French Frigate 1650-1850
    Virtual Reconstruction of a SEVENTEENFH-CENTURY
    The development of the major types of ships to the 19 Century - Hagedorn
    The Dutch fleet before the battle at Lowestoft 1665 – Ron van Maanen
    Galiot, Frederick William the 2nd
    Models of ships 16th und 17. Century
    Flagship Kronan - Lanitzki
    Ships flying the Red Eagle - Schmidt

    Here you will find the correct address
    http://nautarch.tamu...es/ttwitsen.htm
    http://nautarch.tamu...dextreatise.htm







    Rating system of the warships and vessels in the 17th century

    The ranking was very similar lines in the navies and countries.


    Ships from 1558 to 1603
    Ships of this period were classified by tonnage size. Therefore, the vessels on the actual size of the ships are classified.
    Tonnage of less than, and including 100 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, and including 200 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, including 300 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, including 400 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, and including 500 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, including 600 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, including 700 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, and including 800 tonnes
    Tonnage of less than, including 900 tonnes
    Tonnage increased and including 1000 tonnes


    Ships from 1604

    The formal system of classification of vessels has resulted in a very early part of the Stuart era. The first lines seem to 1604th
    The word "Royal Navy" was first introduced by King Charles II in 1660.

    Details of the Marie Museum Karlskrona
    Rank 1; large ships; 640 tonnes up to 800 tonnes; 100 - 130 sailors + 100 soldiers + officers
    Rank 2; medium-sized ships; 192 tonnes to 320 tonnes; 50 – 60 sailors + 80 soldiers + officers,
    Rank 3; small ships; 160 tonnes to 240 tonnes; 35 - 40 sailors + 60 soldiers + officers

    Example: small ship: Pinasse - merchant ship; 96 tonnes to 128tonnes; 20 to 30 sailors + officers


    Soon after the structure was changed again.

    This initial classification was made in 1626 and was last substantially end 1653rd
    The concept of seniority is replaced by rate, and the former small ships is now divided into the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth rate.
    The first assessment is not based on the number of guns, but on the number of teams.
    Samuel Pepys, Secretary to the Admiralty, revised the structure in 1677 and presented subsequent classification.
    The number and weight of the weapon determines the size / number of crew required, and thus the amount of pay and rations.
    He also pointed out that if a ship was strong enough to stand in the line of battle. (Battleship tactics)
    The crucial factor here, the number of guns, but also the size and strength was associated with a flowed.
    A ship could go through other gun assembly's rank.


    Ships from 1677 - by Samuel Pepys

    The ships of the 1st to 4 Ranges have been desugnated as lineships.

    Rate 1: Ships of 100 guns and more three-decker ship of the line from 2600 tonnes 850-950 Sailor
    Rate 2: Ships of 90 guns, (for 98 guns) three-decker ship of the line from 2000 tonnes 750 Sailor
    Rate 3: Ships of 80 - 64 guns; two - decker ship of the line 1300-2000 tonnes 490-720 Sailor
    Rate 4: Ships from 60 - 50 guns; two - decker ship of the line 1100 tonnes 350 Sailor
    Rate 5: Ships of 44 - 32-gun, single-deck frigate 700-900 tonnes 215-320 Sailor
    Rate 6: Ships from 28 to 20 guns, single-deck frigate 550-650 tonnes 160-200 Sailor

    Ships up to 18 guns were not classified.

    Rank as Battleships, call Capital Ships or Ships of the Line. The result was the concept of lineship.
    A ship of the line had to have at least 2 battery deck and 54 to 130 cannons.
    The Netherlands is called the lineship orlogship, Sweden - Regal ship Denmark - Rank or capital ship
    Warship (also Orlogman) was from the 17th century, a collective term for lineships.
    Later, he was generally common for warships of the time seafaring nations. The term "Orlog" comes from the Dutch word for war .


    Ship types of the 17 century
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    Very nice sir! Did you model anything yourself by any chance?
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    dont translate the links. It makes them go bad.
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    Hhhh, we'll see
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    we'll see? I just mean, have you modelled ships yourself? After these examples to put in CoaS?
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    Yes, I work with the program Rhinoceros 4.0 with the plugin RhinoMarine. This is to build hull sections for shipbuilding. It is easy to use and easy to learn for everyone.
    The edited file can you back with the tool from a Akella -. gm convert. See the picture, there you see the what you can open and edit.
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    Do you have any pictures?
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    from what i understand ur using tool to port ships to aop ? btw Tool wasent made by akella
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    Hm, I think I have a speaking problem.
    I am a German, and unfortunately, everything must be translated by Translator.
    I beg your indulgence.

    I could not understand ..... sorry
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    yes I did - I can provide clean if I had enough memory space for images - you know the message

    Used 403.56K of 500K your global upload quota (Max single file size: 96.44K)

    if you have an idea how it goes then please help me
    I have sent to the admin a request, either he did not get it or he has ignored them
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    Photobucket, then link it ;)
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    Which admin did you send it to?
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    Thanks for the address
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    see address

    http://forum.piratesahoy.net//user/2-admin/
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