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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hmm; I don't remember hearing that and I DID listen to that audio commentary. Twice even, I think. Perhaps somebody should listen again. Of course you can't really compare people's swordfighting skills in a ranking system where the best swordsman (or -woman) will always win. There's a lot of chance and opportunity of the moment involved.

As for Mercer: I did quickly read through that post from Wikipedia, but it seems to just be a summary of the films from Mercer's perspective. I wouldn't put much store by swordfighting skills posted on Wikipedia and other such sites, because everyone can say anything they like. Perhaps somebody who is a fan of Mercer simply changed/wrote that text to suggest he is an amazing swordsman. As far as I recall from the film, Mercer did not display any thoroughly impressive swordfighting skills. Even an average swordsman could, in theory, hold his own against a great swordsman, even if only for a couple of minutes. After all it is all depending in a large part on chance and not just on skill. So Mercer fighting Barbossa for a minute or so doesn't necessarily mean that he's a swordsman of equal skill to Barbossa.

I do think that Mercer is VERY good with guns.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Agreed, and he really doesn't have to be superior in his sword skills anyway to be a menace.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do think since he is LORD BECKETT's assistant, Beckett would have made sure to have given him proper training. I am not saying he is better than Barbossa, just a little less than evenly matched. But yes he is REALLY good with guns i think we should make a point that he is more superior than anyone else with a gun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course, Mercer is in no way any kind of lightweight. He has his skills and they are deadly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually i would think that, being an assassin, he would prefer the sword as opposed to the gun to be quiet.....Interesting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, being an assassin his strength is the element of surprise, which would mean he wouldn't necessarily have to be a superior swordsman.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Commodore John Paul Jones wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps he is a good swordsman, just not a strong one? If he's always sneaking up, there's no need to exercise brute strength in a swordfight... so if he was to fight in the open, he may not be able to parry blows from a brute pirate?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, if he were forced to fight in the open against a superior swordsman his weaknesses would surely be out on display.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, so we have his name: Maximilian Morgan Mercer. We have decided his fighting skills. Now we need a back story.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay. He comes from a pirate family? He is an assassin. How did this come about? Did he have a run in with Jack some time in the past? We have to find out what drives him and why he is so against piracy. And how did he come about meeting Beckett?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a wee lad in Manchester, he always was up on his high horse, arrogant like the rest of the English nobility. His father Daniel Mercer owned a large amount of land in Ohio of the new world. The Mercer family had a very lucrative trading business with the Indians, and so his family was very well off. His father would routinely go hunting with the Royal family, and so young Maximilian was taken along. He showed a great interest in guns and other ranged weaponry. His skills improved with leaps and bounds. On his 13th birthday, Mercer was given his father's short barreled hold-out pistol along with an ivory engraved rifle. He, however, favored the pistol, but was just as proficient with the rifle as the pistol. His father also taught young Max. what he knew about sword-fighting...slightly more than the average man. When Max. turned 15, his father was struck ill along with most of his family with a terrible fever. His father died first, then one by one most of his family died out. The rich of England plundered the Mercer mansion, and divided their lands amongst themselves. Max. was now homeless. His ivory engraved rifle was taken by another individual one who was the son of the head of England's premier merchant company the EITC. His name was Cutler Beckett. Another individual attempted to relieve Mercer of his father's hold-out pistol...he never was able to. Mercer had shot him as he attempted to over-power him. This was the first time he had killed another human...strangely he wasnt sad or distraught because of it. He didnt enjoy it either. He lived on the streets for a while, learning to be sneaky to steal a bite from the bakery. He honed his skills in the process. One day he was approached by none other than Citizen Cutler Beckett. Beckett remembered Mercer, and the rifle he took from him. He offered him a job, a company owned apartment, and his old rifle. Beckett also mentioned him possessing many other heirlooms to the Mercer family. If Mercer wanted them back, he would have to join. He accepted. Mercer soon showed dedication to the company unseen before. He also showed dedication to its new head, Cutler Beckett. Mercer was a skilled clerk, but Beckett needed his darker skills, to reduce competition. Mercer was ordered by Beckett to assassinate the head of the VOC as he made a good-will trip to England. He succeeded with flying colors, the VOC blamed the EITC for this action, thus sparking the intense rivalry between the two corporations. Beckett then sent Mercer, and 4 companies of Marines to the caribbean to obtain control of a port, that was renamed Port Royal after its capture. Though the EITC captured it, the King gave governorship to Sir Weatherby Swann, a man a few years older, and a few ranks up in the sociabilities of the English nobility. Beckett was angered by this, but was not going to kill him, he had a better plan in mind. Mercer was called back to England and continued to serve as a faithful clerk for 2 years. Then a dissident captain...Jack Sparrow came along. Time after time he was late on his shipments, beckett began to grow impatient. But another issue had made its way into Becketts mind like a white-hot pick. A mystical person called Davy Jones........<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233349:date=Jan 27 2008, 08:10 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Jan 27 2008, 08:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233349"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
One day he was approached by none other than Citizen Cutler Beckett. Beckett remembered Mercer, and the rifle he took from him. He offered him a job, a company owned apartment, and his old rifle. Beckett also mentioned him possessing many other heirlooms to the Mercer family. If Mercer wanted them back, he would have to join. He accepted. Mercer soon showed dedication to the company unseen before. He also showed dedication to its new head, Cutler Beckett. Mercer was a skilled clerk, but Beckett needed his darker skills, to reduce competition.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its an interesting take. It does sound though like Mercer would secretly resent Beckett for taking his family heirlooms from him in the first place. Maybe would even be plotting to kill him even as he agrees to work for him. This is someone who robbed him when he was at his most vulnerable, then demanded his loyalties in exchange for getting back what he took from him.

How about if Beckett had come along and gotten back some of Mercer's heirlooms for him that had been taken by others? And then met up with him again some years later and Mercer felt obligated to come work for Beckett to repay him for his kindness? Mercer's life until then had been pretty empty as it was devastated early on when he lost everything and so he grows to feel unending loyalty to Beckett for helping him out? Just a little twist on what you wrote.

I wonder also if maybe Teague Sparrow was one of those who made off with Mercer's heirlooms?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I like your idea. GOOD WORK!! Yes, maybe Teague Sparrow has some of the Heirlooms. Also did you notice the irony of an ivory engraved rifle? Where is it that Jack is directed to go with Edwards and Mercer?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes I did notice it. Lots of irony sprinkled throughout is good.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I pinned this thread until the forum is ship-shape again.

Your outline sounds interesting, Mercer! Very good!
My comments:
- Teague being one of the people taking those heirlooms is an interesting thought.
- Beckett indeed shouldn't have stolen them as well, because that would not make for a very loyal servant.
- Killing the head of the VOC? NASTY! Now I REALLY hate Mercer! Seems a bit stupid of Beckett to spark the war between the EITC and VOC. In any case I thought Jack was going to do just that later on, which would be the mark he left on Beckett. Did you read the Wikipedia text on Batavia (as seen here). Originally the EITC and VOC lived "peacefully" together, until the Prince Jayawikarta thing. It seems to me like this would fit very well into our story, except perhaps the exact year. Other than that, it's exactly what we need to happen and would give our story some base in historical fact.
- Didn't Beckett only become obsessed with Davy Jones after witnessing the power of the Flying Dutchman?
- Why would Beckett want Port Royal so much? Seems to me like he should have something better to do than to try and get Port Royal.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233390:date=Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233390"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
I pinned this thread until the forum is ship-shape again.

Your outline sounds interesting, Mercer! Very good!
My comments:
- Teague being one of the people taking those heirlooms is an interesting thought.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe the Teague Sparrow connection could help in being an important motivation for Mercer to distrust Jack and be downright hostile to him but also being able to refrain from killing him outright since it was the old man that ripped him off and not the son. Jack probably knows nothing of the theft by his father of Mercer's heirlooms and Mercer may be aware of this so it does keep his murderous hostility at bay for now.

<!--quoteo(post=233391:date=Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233391"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- Didn't Beckett only become obsessed with Davy Jones after witnessing the power of the Flying Dutchman?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe so, yes.


BTW, thanks for pinning this thread, Pieter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Darth-Me wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is the VOC?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Commodore John Paul Jones wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->VOC = Dutch East India Company.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Man, you guys discovered some ironies I didnt even know i had in there! You guys are quick.

Pieter, Beckett wants port royal to establish a base of operations there. Isnt killing the head of the VOC nasty?

Old Salt, i like the Teague angle that fits better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233395:date=Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jan 28 2008, 02:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233395"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
- Killing the head of the VOC? NASTY! Now I REALLY hate Mercer! Seems a bit stupid of Beckett to spark the war between the EITC and VOC. In any case I thought Jack was going to do just that later on, which would be the mark he left on Beckett. Did you read the Wikipedia text on Batavia (as seen here). Originally the EITC and VOC lived "peacefully" together, until the Prince Jayawikarta thing. It seems to me like this would fit very well into our story, except perhaps the exact year. Other than that, it's exactly what we need to happen and would give our story some base in historical fact.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you want to work this in? Is Beckett involved in Jayawikarta's uprising against the Dutch? Did he help ferment it? Of course we would have to change the timeline in that event, obviously.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Guys, I honestly was going off of a vague amount of information. It might not fit historically, but it is a Disney movie. And they havnt been entirely...accurate. But by all means change it if you like. I think Beckett wanted to reduce competition, so he might have fermented the uprising. Who knows?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It was a good start, Mercer, as its opened up not only new avenues to explore with Mercer, but also with the script.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233396:date=Jan 28 2008, 11:44 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Jan 28 2008, 11:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233396"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Pieter, Beckett wants port royal to establish a base of operations there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ok. I suppose this wouldn't really be a part of the film anyway, so it doesn't really matter either way.

<!--quoteo(post=233397:date=Jan 28 2008, 11:44 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Jan 28 2008, 11:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233397"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Isnt killing the head of the VOC nasty?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's what I said, isn't it?

<!--quoteo(post=233398:date=Jan 29 2008, 03:54 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Jan 29 2008, 03:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233398"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How do you want to work this in? Is Beckett involved in Jayawikarta's uprising against the Dutch? Did he help ferment it? Of course we would have to change the timeline in that event, obviously.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nonono. The EITC and VOC live "peacefully" together in Indonesia until Jack comes along and messes up relations between them. Jack gets Jayawikarta to join with the English to give the English the idea that their chances of winning have improved. However, Jack knows that the Dutch have a much bigger fleet and better army there and also warns them of the attack, so the EITC is defeated, which is the mark Jack left on Beckett. Basically what happens is what it says on that Wikipedia page, except that it wouldn't have happened if it were not for Jack. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Gotcha. That's good. Though that would leave Beckett very angry with Jack, which is why we have Mercer hitching a ride now?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Uh? You got me confused there. First Mercer accompanies Jack to Africa, then Jack goes all-out pirate. Then Jack causes the war between the VOC and EITC and the subsequent defeat of the EITC and THEN Beckett gets REALLY angry at Jack.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I was saying that Mercer DOES start a war between them, but recently Beckett has been trying to stabilize the situation, and has been hammering out peace deals. He doesn't want to lose assets, and neither does the VOC. Jack later messes this up, and Beckett is mad because all that he worked for just went down the drain. So BOTH of you are right. Thats what i have planned. So our story will still work fine with this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I guess we'd better get some rough timeline to this:

1 - Beckett instigates the war between the VOC and EITC.
2 - Beckett then tries to stabilize the situation when his assets are threatened.
3 - Jack gets Jayawikarta to join with the English to give the English the idea that their chances of winning have improved.
4 - Beckett is angry with Jack for messing up his plans.

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I thought maybe it was....

Beckett tries to keep the peace but Jack stirs it up and winds up dealing a blow to the EITC in the region which riles up Beckett. Now, you would think Beckett would be seething at Jack but instead he has Jack working for him. Any possible rationale for that? Is he setting Jack up with the slave trip later on?

Or does the EITC and VOC war take place later on after the Africa trip?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233399:date=Jan 29 2008, 011:15 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Jan 29 2008, 011:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233399"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I was saying that Mercer DOES start a war between them, but recently Beckett has been trying to stabilize the situation, and has been hammering out peace deals. He doesn't want to lose assets, and neither does the VOC. Jack later messes this up, and Beckett is mad because all that he worked for just went down the drain. So BOTH of you are right. Thats what i have planned. So our story will still work fine with this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->First Beckett starts a war with the VOC, then he tries to straighten out relations, then he gets angry when Jack re-starts the war? Isn't it a bit stupid to start a war and then try to straighten out relations again? Wouldn't it be better to not start the war at all? Especially considering that wars cost money, which would decrease the profit the EITC would be able to make. I would think that Beckett would want to keep peace with the VOC and is REALLY angry when Jack foils his plans, because it is a MAJOR setback, both in profit and in the amount of ships and men he has available.

<!--quoteo(post=233400:date=Jan 30 2008, 02:53 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Jan 30 2008, 02:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233400"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Or does the EITC and VOC war take place later on after the Africa trip?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Most definitly does. The EITC and VOC war is caused by Jack when he goes to Indonesia after the Africa episode.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Old Salt wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=233401:date=Jan 30 2008, 05:06 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jan 30 2008, 05:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233401"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Most definitly does. The EITC and VOC war is caused by Jack when he goes to Indonesia after the Africa episode.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay. That makes sense. We have to make sure we are all up to speed with the timelines. And when any new ideas are bought up, that they are fitted into the right timeframe. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Listen to me Pieter, I am not saying your idea is wrong. (Lets get that out of the way). I am just saying perhaps Beckett was a tad bit naive at this point, he doesn't have much experience. He started a war, and later figured out that he was out-numbered, and out gunned by the VOC. So after realizing this, he attempts a ceasefire, the VOC is more than willing to accept. Beckett wants to use this peace time for an arms buildup to later attack the VOC in one swift strike. Jack comes along when Beckett isn't done with the arms build-up, and messes up the relations Beckett so tediously prepared. Now the VOC hates Beckett for lying, and knows his true intentions. Beckett now, seeing his assets around Indonesia threatened, sails from London with the majority of his military fleet. Mercer has already been recalled to London, and has taken command of Twelve Companies of Marines to attack the VOC head of operations in Indonesia, Batavia. He succeeds in capturing it, but a determined VOC counter-attack backed by their navy pushes Mercer and his Marines into the back of the city. Mercer, is a good tactician, and realizes that his situation is dire, so he retreats. With two important prisoners: The General of VOC forces in Indonesia, and the Governor of Batavia, who has authority over all VOC assets in Indonesia. Beckett is very pleased with Mercer's performance, and the two valuable pawns he returned with. The VOC who were mad before are PISSED by this point, and they start to make stupid decisions. A main Dutch fleet sails from the Netherlands to attack Becketts HQ in London. The King sees this as an act of hostilities against ENGLAND so orders the Royal Navy to intercept and stop the Dutch fleet. (This will not be shown in the movie, but will be in the dialog). But Beckett who was very happy about the Kings actions overlooked one important detail, he had to contend with the Dutch Southern Fleet stationed in Indonesia. Though mostly made up of armed merchant ships, they were very numerous. Beckett had brought many Ships-of-the-line, 70's, and 50's along with him. These would prevail in almost any fight, however, he didnt expect to have to face The Flying Dutchman. And with a coordinated assault from the VOC while engaging the Dutchman Becketts fleet was hammered. Both fleets were hammered. There are very few ships that can stand up to the legendary broadside of the Endevour. But the EITC were seriously outnumbered. So they lost. Beckett withdrew back to London for repairs. And eventually would defeat the Dutch.



BTW, I hope the old forum keeps this forums features, such as the editing without an editing comment and the quotes within a quote being cleaned up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Pieter Boelen wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't really like that. I want the EITC's defeat be a really big, bad one that REALLY hurts Beckett. If the VOC is greatly weakened as well and defeated in several battles elsewhere during the film, it isn't really such a major setback for Beckett. And it really does need to be a big bad defeat of the English, otherwise it wouldn't warrant such unreasonable hatred of Jack as Beckett displayed in AWE. I think it must then become clear that Beckett cannot take over the trading monopoly in a hurry, so he must take care to build up his fleet and try and get the Flying Dutchman on his side. Possibly during DMC and AWE, the VOC still ruled over Indonesia, but Beckett made the side trip to the Caribbean to get the Dutchman on his side with the intent of using the Dutchman AND his renewed fleet to take over the trade monopoly once and for all. Obviously he failed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mercer wrote:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We can tweak it, but i like it. I think we can change some things to make it more of a setback for Beckett.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Okay, guys, that should do it. There were 7 pages in that other forum. Maybe we should create a link for these posts in the Thread Index on the first page.

BTW, Pieter, the links in the Thread Index are not working.
 
The links are down, because they point to piratesahoy.com instead of piratesahoy.net. There is no point linking to the PotC 4 script thread on the temporary forum, because in a month or so the temporary forum will be removed altogether. I'll fix those links.
Edit: Links fixed
 
No, I didn't mean to link them from the temp forum, just from this thread. I guess it doesn't matter.
 
Then I'm not understanding what you mean. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
I meant to link the location of the temp posts so we can find them in this thread. Make links to the temp posts in <u>this</u> thread on the first page. <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?s=&showtopic=10925&view=findpost&p=234682" target="_blank">These posts.</a> There are only about twelve posts or so from what we bought over from the temp forum. But like I said, I guess it really isn't necessary. I was just thinking they would be easier to find that way.
 
Damn I've been reading through this for hours.
I didn't know you were doing the script in 'temp' forum. Sorry guys. I've missed a lot,+....but again not that much ha?
 
Thanks a lot for your work, Old Salt! I did as you proposed now and added a link to these posts in the Thread Index.
Now hopefully we can continue our discussions and work again soon. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
 
No problem, Pieter, figured I could help you out a bit. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="8)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />


Yes, Gun, Mercer started it up in the temp forum so we could continue adding ideas. We didn't do anything on the script, just brainstormed really. Like Pieter said though, now we can continue on it. <img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x172/oldsalt_bucket/thumbsup.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
Much appreciated. I'm always happy when I DON'T have to do something. I've still got plenty of other things to keep me occupied for the coming 10000 years anyway. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
 
Well, we have a few characters yet to make a backstory for. But i assume we could start off from where we were. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
 
Well, we were discussing his name and I think we settled on Maximilian Morgan Mercer for now. Then we were trying to get a timeline together concerning how the war came about between the VOC and EITC.
 
M.M.M.

That name for Mercer is very elegant. Like he is from a royal family but he's not.
He needs a simple name.
At least thats what I think.
 
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