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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

<!--quoteo(post=214049:date=Sep 10 2007, 11:28 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 10 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]214049[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> I havent heard much commenting on my idea of having Jones defend the Wench as it is raised, thus forming a friendship between the two which could tie into what you were saying Commodore. Now it is not a "convoy" in a sense of merchants, it is a full fledged ARMADA. Beckett witnesses Jones destroying his ships with ease, which gets Beckett onto the idea of using Jones to rule the seas.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That sounds like it could work and could be a catalyst for them becoming close. Although Jack is already pledging to serve aboard the Dutchman so I don't know how friendly he could ever feel towards Jones knowing he has to pay him his debt in the end.
<!--quoteo(post=214049:date=Sep 10 2007, 11:28 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 10 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]214049[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Guys, by visual effects i mean battles, not skeletons and sea creatures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As do I.
 
<!--quoteo(post=214024:date=Sep 10 2007, 02:13 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 10 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]214024[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I personally like to think that deep down, Jack isn't as selfish and deceitful as he seems to be. That that is just a role he plays, trying to fool both the world and himself. That deep down, he truly is a good man and that that was how he started out. Then you see where that gets him. Because he is a good man, he is forced into piracy and must learn to act like a pirate in order to survive. Until eventually the act (almost) becomes his real personality and his real personality of being a good man is hidden so far that he himself isn't even aware of it anymore. Until he is forced to make a choice between the good and the easy. Because as we have seen in the films: Jack does make the right choice in the right moments. That is why he remains a sympathetic character. If he were just selfish and deceitful with no conscience, as hidden though it might be, he would just be a nasty character, which obviously he is not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What gives me pause about Jack, because otherwise I'd agree with you completely, is that he did trick Will in DMC onto the Dutchman and that is not the act of a good man deep down. In fact, it was a bit out of character for Jack and seems to suggest a much darker side to him does exist. Otherwise he does fit your description of him Pieter.

<!--quoteo(post=214001:date=Sep 10 2007, 04:21 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 10 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]214001[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think we may have to drop some hints here about it. I like leaving some things a mystery as well but others do need to be explained. And to have Jack start off as an honest, trustworthy and respectable captain just doesn't seem realistic without at least some explanation as to how and why he started that way.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=214024:date=Sep 10 2007, 02:13 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 10 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]214024[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree. That's why I suggested dropping several different hints for several different explanations. That way we even give multiple reasons, but still keep it a mystery.

I really like the "sea turtles" strategy of giving more than one explanation to certain questions. The explanation of how Jack got off the island is an example. And I especially like Jack's father giving "sea turtles" as explanation to the dog being at Shipwreck Island while last we saw the dog, he was at Pelegostos. I think that's just hilarious because it is obvious that the writers KNOW it is weird, possibly impossible even, and they deliberately give a nonsense explanation! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Giving them the old runaround eh? That always works. An explanation that really doesn't explain. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
I would prefer the sacking of Nassau without firing a single shot to be a bit ambiguous in the way that it is unclear if Jack actually planned it that way or that he was just trying to buy some rum ashore and accidentally ended up sacking the town. Now if Jack and Jones would work together, there would be no question about it. Yes, they did plan it that way and very deliberately sacked the town. I would personally find my suggestion much more interesting and amusing. Imagine Jack bumbling about like he usually does and ending up to sack the town just by bumbling about.

That would also mean that his entire sacking of the town isn't as impressive as it sounds afterwards. I also like the notion of the myth being blown much out of proportion. That the sacking was more of a funny and possibly unintended affair and that that eventually got blown up to such an extent that people think Jack Sparrow is a fearsome pirate. I don't know if anyone of you read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but there's a quote of Harry's that very much sums up my opinion on the matter: "Stuff like that always sounds cooler than it really was". This would also mean we could add some scenes where people tell each other of Jack's sacking of Nassau where the story indeed sounds much cooler than it really was without it actually becoming untrue. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=214053:date=Sep 11 2007, 05:55 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 11 2007, 05:55 AM) [snapback]214053[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What gives me pause about Jack, because otherwise I'd agree with you completely, is that he did trick Will in DMC onto the Dutchman and that is not the act of a good man deep down. In fact, it was a bit out of character for Jack and seems to suggest a much darker side to him does exist. Otherwise he does fit your description of him Pieter.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's a good point. But perhaps that was also similar to the "Jack rowing away, Jack rowing back" event. Jack doesn't WANT to be a good man and DOES want to save himself, therefore he tricks Will into trying to save Jack's life. Davy then asks if Jack doesn't have a problem with that, because Davy knows Jack at least to such an extent that he knows Jack does have a conscience. Jack then replies he has no trouble with it, but personally I don't believe a word of that. I think Jack very much has a problem with it. After all: We do see Jack trying to save Will afterwards by reasoning with Davy. Also: I am pretty sure that if Will HADN'T said he was sent by Jack Sparrow to settle his debt, that Will indeed would have ended up dead. Therefore Jack's "It might save your life" was actually very true.

However, one of the main funny things about Jack is that his personality can be explained in different ways. One could argue that he indeed is a nasty selfish pirate or one could argue that he in fact IS a good man deep down. Obviously I want to believe the good man theory, but obviously there is no conclusive answer to Jack's real motivations. And I think that is a very important thing to keep in mind. Whatever scripts we might end up writing, it must never be made clear whether Jack is or isn't a good man. That way we leave it up to the audience to decide. This also means that some contradictions aren't much of a bad thing, because that's what keeps Jack's motivations questionable. If it weren't for things like the example you mention, I would be convinced that Jack IS a good man. Now I am not really sure. It is what I WANT to believe, but there <i>is</i> evidence to the contrary.
 
<!--quoteo(post=214068:date=Sep 11 2007, 06:25 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 11 2007, 06:25 AM) [snapback]214068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would prefer the sacking of Nassau without firing a single shot to be a bit ambiguous in the way that it is unclear if Jack actually planned it that way or that he was just trying to buy some rum ashore and accidentally ended up sacking the town. Now if Jack and Jones would work together, there would be no question about it. Yes, they did plan it that way and very deliberately sacked the town. I would personally find my suggestion much more interesting and amusing. Imagine Jack bumbling about like he usually does and ending up to sack the town just by bumbling about.

That would also mean that his entire sacking of the town isn't as impressive as it sounds afterwards. I also like the notion of the myth being blown much out of proportion. That the sacking was more of a funny and possibly unintended affair and that that eventually got blown up to such an extent that people think Jack Sparrow is a fearsome pirate. I don't know if anyone of you read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but there's a quote of Harry's that very much sums up my opinion on the matter: "Stuff like that always sounds cooler than it really was". This would also mean we could add some scenes where people tell each other of Jack's sacking of Nassau where the story indeed sounds much cooler than it really was without it actually becoming untrue. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't that always the case? <i>We laughed about it later on but at the time it wasn't so funny.</i> It is intriguing about Jack accidentally sacking Nassau without firing a shot. Could he have just bumbled his way into the town treasury somehow? And then, like you suggested, the legend grew after that by word of mouth, especially Jack's? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> Maybe this is a question that should be added to Mercer's list.

<!--quoteo(post=214068:date=Sep 11 2007, 06:25 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 11 2007, 06:25 AM) [snapback]214068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's a good point. But perhaps that was also similar to the "Jack rowing away, Jack rowing back" event. Jack doesn't WANT to be a good man and DOES want to save himself, therefore he tricks Will into trying to save Jack's life. Davy then asks if Jack doesn't have a problem with that, because Davy knows Jack at least to such an extent that he knows Jack does have a conscience. Jack then replies he has no trouble with it, but personally I don't believe a word of that. I think Jack very much has a problem with it. After all: We do see Jack trying to save Will afterwards by reasoning with Davy. Also: I am pretty sure that if Will HADN'T said he was sent by Jack Sparrow to settle his debt, that Will indeed would have ended up dead. Therefore Jack's "It might save your life" was actually very true.

However, one of the main funny things about Jack is that his personality can be explained in different ways. One could argue that he indeed is a nasty selfish pirate or one could argue that he in fact IS a good man deep down. Obviously I want to believe the good man theory, but obviously there is no conclusive answer to Jack's real motivations. And I think that is a very important thing to keep in mind. Whatever scripts we might end up writing, it must never be made clear whether Jack is or isn't a good man. That way we leave it up to the audience to decide. This also means that some contradictions aren't much of a bad thing, because that's what keeps Jack's motivations questionable. If it weren't for things like the example you mention, I would be convinced that Jack IS a good man. Now I am not really sure. It is what I WANT to believe, but there <i>is</i> evidence to the contrary.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You made some good points as well, Pieter, and I tend to lean toward your description of Jack as well. Will would have ended up dead, there is no doubt about that, had he not said he was sent by Jack. And Jack does have a history of doing the right thing when everything is on the line so I guess he can be given a pass on this one. And your right, we really don't want to box Jack into a good or evil corner with our script, lets leave that one to the audience like you said. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
I like that bumbling about. for example, he sits in a tavern and has an argument with someone else, and starts bragging about his ship, then he begin to brag more. everyone else also hear the story and beginning to talk to eachother, the story begins to "swell" and it ends up that Jack leads a fleet just like Henry Morgan, everyone is panicing, Jack sees his oppertunity and goes with the story and ends up with nassau's treasury.
 
<i>Tooooo</i> funny! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />
That might make for a truly funny scene. Of course it wouldn't be an impressive sacking, but it WOULD be brilliantly funny. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/slap.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":slap" border="0" alt="slap.gif" />
 
Just slips in the back door as everyone is out in the street screaming that a huge fleet is coming to ransack the town. It truly would be a one of a kind sacking. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
Guys,

I understand that this is all educational and such, but we HAVE to get moving on the actual script. I think enough people have thrown around enough ideas for this script. Pick and choose gentlemen. We dont have all year. 2009 isnt that far off if you are writing a script.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> Do you guys think you would like me to convert anything you submit towards the actual script into movie script form? I would be honored to do so.

Now how about i or someone else starts posting a voting bulletin about each phase of the story. So we can see everyones ideas on that particular part of the story, and vote, or piece together the next part, instead of jumping around like a GOD DAMN CRICKET ON CRACK.(Excuse the language, just using it to make a point <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> ". People are jumpin WAAAAY too far ahead. We now need to turn out focus to the beginning of the story. This will be a much, much more streamlined system if we take it one cricket step at a time. K? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
Format for story phase BETA v.1.93.

Beginning of script: ( or part we are on)

Idea...

Characters included:

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Will comprimise for:

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Possible Due date for all posts: (tenative, if you guys want it)

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Special Occurrances:

i.e. Sea battle, maelstrom, something unusual.


I like things to be very organized, like voting for a president (before Bush that is). That is why i like to have these ballots, i am not FORCING you to use it, it would just help everyone see what's being planned withous searching through paragraph after paragraph. Later revisions as needed. Post the blue question mark icon for the answers to this. The ones below under "post icons". Someone will have to come up with a due date for each idea post to be in by. Whoever you guys want.
 
Okay, lets work on the opening scene then. Are we opening up in Singapore like Mercer has in his first draft? I think some others had reservations about Singapore being in the prequel. I guess we should start debating about that. Mercer is right, we can't jump too far ahead in the story.
 
<!--quoteo(post=214154:date=Sep 12 2007, 09:06 PM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Sep 12 2007, 09:06 PM) [snapback]214154[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what would happen there?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Get the special assingment of Cutler Beckett. It is the EAST INDIA trading company, and I think that a merchant not starts in a port like the pirate port of singapore.
 
I wouldn't have Singapore in the prequel because then it is no surprise anymore in AWE, which would be a shame. I would opt for beginning the film in London, England. Start the film in some familiar(ish) location and then bring us to exotic places from there. Also I can imagine the head office of the EITC being in London, which would be where Cutler Beckett would then reside. I would like to show some old English towns before moving to Africa or the Caribbean.

As the beginning shot of the film, I would choose Mercer's suggestion of the Wicked Wench at sea with Jack Sparrow as captain. First the shot would resemble the Black Pearl because the ship is a silhouette, but then you see the coloured wood, the EITC flag and Jack's uniform. Then Jack makes port as Mercer suggested.

What I would also like to show is the contrast between the white cliffs of Dover at the beginning of the film versus the white shores of Ivory Coast where Jack has to collect the slaves. This to illustrate the voyage beginning in a very known world, but going towards the unknown. Everything in the films becomes more and more unfamiliar, culminating in the visit to Davy Jones' Locker in AWE, which is about as unfamiliar as you can go. I would love the films to come full circle in that respect: Start out from a familiar place (London), visit progressively more unfamiliar and weird places (Ivory Coast, Caribbean, Isla de Muerte, Isla Cruces, Singapore, world's end, Davy Jones' Locker and Shipwreck Cove - in that order), but ending back ina familiar place at the end of the sequel to AWE.
 
Talking about East India: Perhaps we should actually show East India. Singapore is not usually considered East India. The one and only East India is Indonesia. Perhaps we could visit Indonesia at some point in the prequel. That might give a nice taste of the Oriental influence in AWE without actually showing Singapore, therefore still retaining that surprise. Of course Indonesia should thus be Oriental, but very different from Singapore. Think of the rice plantations and architecture:
<img src="http://millenniumdock.bravepages.com/storage/000893_08-16_terrasses_p.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /> <img src="http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/photo_lg_indonesia.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Also it should just be a very minor part of the film, just to give the audience a tiny taste of what is yet to come many films later.
 
Okay, start in london. Have the opening scene i suggested, imbellished with Pieter's sillhoette idea. We MUST have Mercer greet Sparrow at the docks. He doesnt have to complain about sparrow being late per se, but i think he should greet him there, and take him to Becketts lavishly furnished office, so it is a greater contrast from the one in DMC. Cliffs of Dover would be a good description for the area. Now he will be sent on a mission to an unfamiliar town to pick up PRISONERS for Beckett. Once again, slavery wouldnt be smart to show in a Disney movie. That is my idea for the beginning. Eitherway, he should be sent on a mission for Beckett, i just chose the prisoner route for a number of reasons, first of all being that Tia Dalma could be one of those prisoners. Also, Sparrow will come to see what Beckett is really like with the prisoners, and such. Showing part of the movie in indonesia would be okay, i am for it. I see Thomas Terror why we shouldnt put a merchant in Singapore, because of it being a pirate port.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> OH SH#$ an idea has just popped into my head, Commodore John Paul Jones would like this one. When sparrow meets jones, after his ship was sunk by the ROYAL NAVY under becketts control, they lay anchored nearby, and when the dutchman surfaces they attack, and Sparrow shaves 3 years off his captaincy of the Pearl to have jones help him escape, thus forming a partnership between the two. PLEEZE COMMENT ON THIS I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS JUST ABOUT THIS!!!! Everyone indirectly comments on parts of this idea, and i dont know if you like the WHOLE idea. Also, yes, Jones will inflict severe damages on the fleet. AGAIN FOR THE 5th Time Beckett will witness the awesome power of Jones, and that would give him the idea of using jones to rid the world of piracy. And there's our Emmy winning sea battle for the prequel. The battles shouldnt be small so they get bigger, the other movies have things that the prequel wont like skeletin guys, and sea creatures, so the prequel has to make up for it by having a big sea battle. Hey, you guys said NO CURSED PIRATES or anything requiring special effects suits, okay, heres how we make up for it.
 
I think that the setting for the first scene should be the London area, but not necessarily London itself.
I personally think a scene of the <i>Wench</i> putting up the English Channel would look cool. We could have her passing Spithead where a squadron of Royal Navy ships is observed. As she passes by and makes for the Thames, we could introduce Jack and some of his key crewmembers. But once he rounds the point and enters the waters outside London, he sees another squadron, but this one is larger in the number of ships... they bear the EIC color scheme and pennant. (Which is different from the RN. For example, an RN first rate: three golden yellow stripes that are slightly broader than the height of the gunports, the EIC follows the same scheme, but uses a sharper yellow and paints the bottom stripe the exact height of the gunports.) Jack moors in the Thames and is recieved by Mercer, who escorts him into the EIC office complexes.

The whole idea of these opening scenes are the following:

- To show the world outside of the exotic Caribbean and other locations seen in the current films. They are void of a natural backdrop and give us a look into the imperialistic world of Beckett using the developed city.

Movies have a color theme. TCotBP used lots of blacks and golden colors to convey the adventure of piracy. Everything was bright and swashbuckling. DMC used lots of greens and dark tones to convey to us that it was the low point in the journey with Jack's death and his ship's destruction. It seemed very lush and natural to fit the crustean theme. AWE used a good mix of the previous two, but in a lighter tint to represent everything comming to a close with hope and victory comming.

- Color theme. The theme of this scene would be overcast and foggy, typical London. This gives the EIC a very black and white air and makes them really stand out as the badguy in comparison to the colorfully dressed and exotic pirates. This also would allow us to add color to the film as Jack draws closer to being a true pirate. This would also bring back recollections of this scene when viewers see AWE scenes that use the grayscale theme, which ties the films together.


A question: what would the dominant color theme be for this film? For example, AWE used a lot of red to denote the involvment of the Chinese in their advertisment posters. So what would our mood and tone be? Give me those and I can tell you what colors we should stress in the movie.

I like the Jones helping Jack escape bit... but lets make sure its not a grand, large scale battle. I like the thought of Beckett witnessing Jones' powers, but we need to save the big stuff for the end in AWE and after to build on the climax of the series. Remember, this film isn't a "lets see how big we can make it". TCotBP did not use much and is still the best film so far. (Though I personally think AWE is <i>just</i> because of the malestrom battle. That scene was enough to make any movie the best if it were in it.) What we need to use is swashbuckling fun with original flavor and comedy, not too much drama, and don't let it get silly.
 
Okay, no slaves and I like the idea of prisoners and Tia being a part of them, that fits in nicely with Jack eventually freeing her and she owing Jack a debt.

<!--quoteo(post=214171:date=Sep 12 2007, 05:28 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 12 2007, 05:28 PM) [snapback]214171[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> OH SH#$ an idea has just popped into my head, Commodore John Paul Jones would like this one. When sparrow meets jones, after his ship was sunk by the ROYAL NAVY under becketts control, they lay anchored nearby, and when the dutchman surfaces they attack, and Sparrow shaves 3 years off his captaincy of the Pearl to have jones help him escape, thus forming a partnership between the two. PLEEZE COMMENT ON THIS I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS JUST ABOUT THIS!!!! Everyone indirectly comments on parts of this idea, and i dont know if you like the WHOLE idea. Also, yes, Jones will inflict severe damages on the fleet. AGAIN FOR THE 5th Time Beckett will witness the awesome power of Jones, and that would give him the idea of using jones to rid the world of piracy. And there's our Emmy winning sea battle for the prequel. The battles shouldnt be small so they get bigger, the other movies have things that the prequel wont like skeletin guys, and sea creatures, so the prequel has to make up for it by having a big sea battle. Hey, you guys said NO CURSED PIRATES or anything requiring special effects suits, okay, heres how we make up for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you saying that after Jack has his ship sunk by Beckett and meets Jones and strikes the deal to have the Wench raised, that after its raised Jack then strikes another deal with Jones to help him escape? Does Jones raise the Wench while Beckett is still there and they start firing on it and that's when Jack strikes the deal to have 3 years shaved off if Jones helps him escape and thus Beckett witnesses Jones awesome power and maybe the seed is planted then to use Jones later? Or does Jones raise the Wench and then Jack has another run in with Beckett later and enlists Jones help to escape? Sorry if I asked that twice but I'm pretty tired and just wanted to ask about that before logging off.
 
Yes, Old Salt. That is what i am saying, Sparrow has originally had a 16 year captaincy, and he shaves off 3 years to have Jones, help him, and the wench escape.
 
Okay, guys we have plenty of good locations to start the movie in, pick one. Again, i say London would be a great place to start.
 
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