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Discussion in 'Ship Modeling' started by Captain Armstrong, Apr 30, 2012.

  1. Post Captain

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    From memory, I believe it was the 70's. It's amazing what modern antifouling and marine paint can do. It's also gotten relatively little use compared to a frigate of that time.
     
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    True, very true, shame it doesn't still sail much anymore. judging by what can be found online, it used to sail to all parts of the world as the Rose
     
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    I've been unable to use the forums on my phone since the forum switched to the new format. Since I almost never get time on my computer anymore that means I haven't been able to follow the thread or reply to suggestions that I suggest some ships from earlier periods. I've got a fairly lengthy list and don't have time to post them now but here's number 1 on my list, and I'd be willing to at least model the hull and the structure of the stern gallery and head:

    HMS Victory 1737
    Admiralty Draught
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79935.html

    Copy of the admiralty draught H.F. Chapman with decorations apparently based on a contemporary model (since the ship had already sunk ten years earlier by the time he visited)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79936.html

    Contemporary model:
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66410.html

    I've got extensive research into this one just never had the time to make all the fiddly bits to do it justice. If anyone wants to collaborate...?

    I'll post of list of all my favourite ships' plans later. ;)
     
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    I'd love to see that Victory in the game! She would even make a great replacement for some/all of the stock 'manowar' models. :dance
    Let's hope someone will be interested in collaborating to make the ship...
     
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    According to this more recent article, the wreck IS due to be recovered. In that sense, an accurate model here would be a fitting tribute. :)
     
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    Dutch 22 gun frigate Scipio, 1784
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Schcipio 40 guns.jpg

    Dutch 36 gun frigate jason, 1770
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Jason 40 guns.jpg

    Dutch 46 gun two-decker, 1740?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Fregat46guns.jpg

    Dutch East Indiaman 1750?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Fregate14guns.jpg

    Dutch East Indiaman 1750?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Fregat_Body.jpg
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Fregat_Sheer.jpg

    Dutch 40-gun two-decker, 1740?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/Fregate40guns.jpg

    Tons of other plans for dutch ships can be found here:
    http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=page.collections&collection=technischetekeningen
    Search for "technische tekening, fregat" or "technische tekening, oorlogschip" :)

    French Demi-Batterie, 1748
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/DemiBatterie - 1748.jpeg

    English 60 gun ship 1730?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/English60guns.jpg

    French 24 gun ship 1780?
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/385585.html

    French Ambuscade, 1744 (modelled the hull for this one not long ago, nice looking ship)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82055.html
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82057.html

    French Advice Prize, 1704 (modelled the hull for this one too, a real cutie :p)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83597.html

    English Bomb Ketch, 1720
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/L - Terrible 1720 (Bomb Ketch).jpg

    English Ketch-Rigged Yacht 1721
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/385515.html

    English Sloop Peggy 1748
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84651.html

    English Sloop Cruizer 1732
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84512.html

    English Sloop Spy 1732 (perfect pirate ship imo)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84165.html

    English Sloop Port Antonio 1795?
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83877.html

    English Sloop Atalanta 1775
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83877.html

    English two-decker, 1707 (huge plan)
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74304344/Plans/L - Eng2D 1706.jpg



    And here are my favourites:

    Swedish/Danish (?) frigate, around 1750 (really cool)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83514.html

    English two-decker 1700 (awesomeawesomeawesomeawesome)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/385580.html

    French two-decker 1710 (!)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/385589.html

    English Ketch Swift 1721
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84644.html

    English 24 gun frigate Mermaid 1749
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/385425.html

    French 5th Rate Flore 1760
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/384024.html
     
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    Yeah, the Flore looks really nice. I couldn´t add my absolute fav as it's already in your OP (the Aigle). Kinda fell in love with her lines :p

    Oh, forgot to add this site to my post above: http://threedecks.org/ Great research tool!
     
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    ah yes, that site is great for fact-checking and research!
    You mean this aigle? http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82594.html
    I rather like her lines too:) according to wikipedia, she was built as a privateer(a giant one at that!o_O) and later bought into the french navy then captured by the brits. It appears her designer (Sane) later designed the Venus of 1782, and the subsequent ships of that class, and the hull form of the Aigle and those ships seems to be very similar, though they have slightly different dimensions.
     
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    Yes, thats the one :) But the length of 150 feet on threedecks.org seems to be wrong. There´s an Aigle built in 1778 in History of the French Frigate with 137 feet, which is much more believeable. And youre spot on with the lines, Sané designed a "master-plan" for frigates in....uhm, 1774 IIRC and used it for all of his vessels. Model one and you have all :p
     
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    Well according to robert gardiner's book the heavy frigate, she had a length on deck of 147'5" a breadth of 39'1" and a depth in hold of 12'2", weighing in at about 1001 tons. there were earlier measurements taken off when she was first captured, which gave 150" as the length on deck, but Gardiner thinks that this was likely an exaggerated meausurement to get more prize money and make the frigate seem even bigger than she was. when captured she actually carried 24 24 pdrs on the main deck, though of course they were too big to be practical for a ship of that size and later replaced by 28 18pdrs.
     
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    Made a mistake, the 137 feet in Boudriots book are pieds du roi, not imperial feet, so it`s the same vessel :facepalm But it should be a 12 pounder frigate. Did Gardiner cite any source for the heavier armament? :)
    The only other 24-pounder + frigates around 1780 I know are the South Carolina and the french Forte and Ordenance (both were cancelled shortly after the keel had been laid down, though).
    And the swedish Bellona-class, of course. Hm, hm...
     
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    well the 24 pdrs were not the original armament, and they were too heavy for the ship. originally she mightve carried 12 pdrs, and did for a short time in british service. However she was soon rearmed with 18pdrs in british service. Gardiner's citations are as follows:
    24 pdrs when captured: NRS Barham I, p210
    12 pdrs in british service: established with 26x12pdrs (by admiralty order? about 1790)
    18 pdrs in british service: rerated as a 38 and armed with 28x 18 pdrs and 10 9pdrs by admiralty order on 31 december 1792. (with a further 2x 32 pdr carronades being added by admiralty order on 25 January 1793)
    I assume this means that gardiner found the admiralty order detailing these changes in some archives.
     
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    oh yes, there was a class of french frigates built to those lines. it was of course highly experimental, and they were very large ships. the fisguard herself (ex-fr resistance) was 160ft long on deck. they mightv'e been intended to carry 24pdrs originally, but from what I remember the ended up with 18s. there doesn't seem to be much info on their sailing qualities, though they couldn't have been terrible considering she wasn't sold out until 1814. gardiner does mention that she was "a quick and heavy roller" but that mightve been fixed by re arming with 18pdrs.
    a painting of this ship as the french "Resistance" can be seen on this page(scroll down a bit)
    http://www.archeosousmarine.net/ethalion.html
    a series of sketches by Nicholas Pocock of the HMS Seine (lead ship of the Revolutionnaire's class) taking the french Vengeance (a sister ship of resistance/fisgard)
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/112920.html
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/112919.html
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/112921.html

    Sorry if I called the Aigle little! :oops: she is a pretty big frigate, it's just that 24pdrs needed a very large hull, the smallest succesful frigate design that had a 24pdr main battery was about 160' on the gundeck, and frigates as long as 164' were rearmed with 18s because the 24pdrs were too big (US Constellation class)
     
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    The relatively scant entry under the water line would have been a cause of much of the extraneous movement. Vessels such as the Black Ball Line's ships and later clippers were notorious for the amount of roll and pitch they experienced. That would explain the "quick" part of "quick and heavy roller." That hull actually bears a faint resemblance to some of the Black Ball ships.
     
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    I can upload detailed schematics from the anatomy of the ship series books on the following ships:
    The naval cutter Alert 1777
    HMS Beagle 1820
    The 74 gun ship Bellona 1760
    The 20 gun ship Blandford 1719
    The armed transport Bounty
    The royal yacht Caroline 1749
    The frigate Diana 1794
    Captains Cook Endeavour
    32 Gun Frigate Essex 1795
    The Bomb vessel Granado 1742
    The 24 Gun Frigate Pandora 1779
    The Susan Constant 1606
    The 100 Gun ship Victory
    The 44 Gun Frigate Constitution
     
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