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The Golden Hind - Sir Francis Drake

Cool! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Looking forward to seeing it - and nice to have you back, JSJ! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />
 
What can you tell us about it ?? I mean speed , howmany cannon , cargo space ... etc . It would be great if somebody can creat a ship with 58 - 64 cannon to fill the gap between 44 cannon ships in the game and the battle ship . It can be a Carrak . If I know how to creat a ship I have had made many new so everybody can find what he is looking for ..
 
Great mate!!! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" />
 
What about the HMS Surprise from the Master and Commander film a smaller 28 gun frigate or summit she was a fourth rate I think or a third i cant remember off hand and the Acheron from M and C.

Also the ship with say 55+ guns and below 70 id going to be something like a larger second rate ship, as frigates in POTC arent big enough to be second rate vessels, if any one has watched Hornblower then the renown is something like your looking for! 66 gunner if i remember properly, and the POTC battleship is also to small to be a 1st rate ship usually if i can recolect properly (besides spell) then most 1st rate ships were plus 80 gunners.

regards

Cap'n Cornish
 
What the point of having 3 ships that has the same number of cannon 44 ( frigates , line and warship ) ?? It would be much better if the lineship has `52-60` and the warship has `58-66` cannons . It will make much difference for the game .
 
C'mon, guys!

He's workin' on the Golden Hind. It's what he wants to do, and it's going to keep him busy for quite awhile. If he gets it to us `in-game`, he'll have done something rare and wonderful!

Bug him AFTER he's finished this project, they take quite some time!
 
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> Sailor Al!!! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> Howyabee, matey?

(and my sentiments exactly, HA!) <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
The Surprise was a 6th rate and the Acheron was a 5th rate.

The Golden Hind was an amazing ship for its time. Some of the things he did off the Pacific Coast of South America are just fascinating (not to mention his caribbean exploits).

Good show.
 
Hey sorry got a little carried away there with me ideas, but yeah go for the Golden hind such a good idea I for one would love to see it!

Maybe a little detail of its history or somewhere I can read about it would be quite interesting as well please?!?!?
 
the details is not finished yet .... my knowlegde comes from the Discovery pirate documentary (dvd)
(and the images too)
dont worry ..... it wont take long
 
Oh yeah, the Hind... around 1580 Drake sailed clear around the world and returned to England a hero. That's all the background on it I know. Didn't he become a pirate sometime after and get his arse hanged?

Do you plan on a special way for the ship to enter the game, J.S.Jr., or will it be a regular encounterable/buyable dealie?
 
Here's a good site about the Golden Hind:

<a href="http://www.goldenhinde.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.goldenhinde.co.uk/</a>

AND... I made a `re-skin` of the Spanish Admiral as Drake...

<img src="http://www.ganotherapyusa.com/extras/drake1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Skull was working on a quest involving famous pirates, so I offered him the Drake skin - but I think "real life" intruded on his project and I don't know what's happening with it at the moment...

Hopefully we'll hear from him someday soon.
 
Nice job Cat.

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Drake did circumnavigate in the Hind, however he was already what you might call a Pirate at the time. The key to understanding the classic galleon period in regards to pirating is that a pirate is only a pirate to the guy being robbed. The guy doing the robbing thinks rather highly of himself. At this point in history the English Sea Dogs were making quite a name for themselves raiding shiping and ports on the Spanish main. He is known especially for his famous attack on Nombre de Dios and his capture of a Spanish donkey train full of silver. Sailing around the horn he turned back up along the Pacific Coast of South America. If you'll indulge me, I'd like to share a great story of an event that took place there.

While stopping for stores he learned of a Spanish Treasure ship heading south to go back around the horn and up to Cadiz. This was during the time before proper navies, so merchants were both warships and merchants. Drake knew that he couldn't take the heavy ship outright, but he planned a very cunning ruse de guerre. Removing one of his cannon he tied it to the Hind and threw it overboard, draging behind him like a sea anchor and drastically slowing his sailing abilities. He then sailed on an intercept vector with the treasure ship, when the treasure saw him he turned and ran like a frightented little merchant. His slowed running capabilities gave the appearance of a heavy laden merchant. The Spaniard beat down to him and called for him to strike. Instead, he cut the cable, turned and fired a broadside. This was at a time in history when it took very very long (some reports indicate an hour) between volleys, so the Spaniard Struck instead.

Following that little bit of Pyrating he then went on to circumnavigate the globe. When he returned to `jolly-old` England his combined riches from the sacking and raiding in the caribbean and the treasure ship off of Peru gave him quite the pretty penny. As a proper Englishman he gave much of it to Elizabeth, afterall, he did sail in her name, and was knighted for it. He then led a Naval expedition across Biscay and sacked Cadiz! Later, during the battles with the Spanish Armada he commanded the leeward division of the English Fleet. It is commonly misunderstood in America that the Spanish Armada was destroyed by a storm... not the case at all. The storm came on the return voyage, after the attack had failed... due of course to Drake, Hawkins, and a very very young English Navy.

The bloke you are thinking of might Sir Walter Raleigh, he too did a little privateering/pyrating/`hero-ing` (call it what you will), but he was eventually put to death because of his close dealings with the Earl (or was it Duke) of Essex who was put to death for treason against the crown. Poor Walter was accused of taking part in an attempt at assasinating James I.

The other bloke you might be thinking of is the famous Captain Kidd. Kidd was chartered by Robert Livingston of New York (his great grandson signed the American Declaration of Independence), Earl (or Lord) of Belmont - the then governor of New York- a group of shadowy royal insiders and King William III to travel to the Indian Ocean and hunt two things: pirates and french merchants. Political intrigue and a series of cunning tricks by Pirate Captain Robert Culliford (Kidd's former shipmate and `three-time` betrayer) led to the eventual false imprisonment of Kidd. Kidd was arrested as a pirate because he captured a neutral vessel. In reality she was a french merchant, her french pass is on display today in the British War Museum. Alos, Culliford pretended to be Kidd when he would go `a-pirating`, so a lot of merchants were hunting the pirate "Kidd" in the Indian ocean. The end result was Kidd was hanged and Culliford walked away with a lot of gold. There was an interesting book out a few years ago about the whole Kidd/Culliford battles by a man named Richard Zacks. Its a fun read, but he doesn't cite sources enough to be taken seriously, nor does he follow the proper method. Oh well, it was still fun.

Hmmmm. I seem to have strayed from the point.

In conclusion, Drake was a great and well liked man. He even developed the naval tactic of fighting yard arm to yard arm, a policy that would rule the Royal Navy until the end of the true hearts of oak. He died around 1596 as I remember of fever he contracted while privateering in the Caribbean. He was definitely a `gentleman-pirate`.
 
Okies a bit of fact for you I live about 60 miles away from where Sir Francis Drake was playing bowls when the Spanish Armada came up the English Channel, as he was at Plymouth in Devon which is right on the Border of Devon where it meets my own county Cornwall. It is on the south coast in the natural harbour bit at the bottom of the border between Cornwall my home county and Devon the neighbouring one.

Here is a link to a basic map so you can see.

<a href="http://www.swtourism.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.swtourism.co.uk/</a>

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That's supposed to be a myth Cap'n Cornish, but it's a good one, so let's go on as if it were true. It does seem a little funny that Drake's real accomplishments, which were so fantastic, aren't enough and people have to make up a story about him.

I'll have to check out your maps.

Dang, JMV 575, you should have written the report on Drake for the PA site, not me. I actually confined my report to what I refered to as Drake's pirating activities, so there is still room for another Drake report as far as I am concerned.

Here's link to my report: <a href="http://www.piratesahoy.net/content/view/219/34/" target="_blank">http://www.piratesahoy.net/content/view/219/34/</a>
Don't mind the margins, I sure didn't.
 
Yeah, Kidd must have been the fellow I had in mind. Who was the one that snuck up on a ship in a little rowboat, in the dark, and crept up on deck with his men barefoot, a pistol and saber for each, and slaughtered the crew and captured the ship and its treasure?
 
Sounds like Pierre le Grand to me , Smithee.

Not to be confused with his cousin, Pepe le Pew. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
Hummm, I seem to remember running a mission just like that, myself... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
 
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