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What I would like to see in the new Builds

In this case it is completely the same whether you or the modders community. I have fixed in my brain the name - NathanKell´s Builds, so for that reason I reverted to you. Nathan, once again, where is the older dark (grey) Manowar? I can´t find her. (I really don´t know what ´s more proper in the case of Manowar whether to use the pronoun she or he or it ?) <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />
 
Ah, right.
(I just try to keep it clear when it comes up, because there's tons of peoples' work in the build, and running the build). <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

In English, {as a holdover from less enlightened times, if I may air a bias} ships are referred to as female, so she is indeed correct.
{In Russian, IIRC, the male pronoun is used, so it's surely not universal.}

The Manowar is Manowar3_44:
"Weathered Manowar, Skin by Rafe Bligh, Code by Muddymonkey/iamthejarha"

<img src="http://img197.exs.cx/img197/9081/mowrafe8yi.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

In normal build 12, it's available same as normal MoW (i.e. encounterable and 1/8th chance buyable in large towns).
It's towards the bottom of the ships_init.c file, in the middle of the Weathered block, above JMV's ships.
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Rad`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rad)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nathan, once again, where is the older dark (grey) Manowar? I can´t find her.    :keith[/quote]

Rad, that MoW referenced by Nathan is listed in the shipyard as Manowar MM.
 
No, no, mates, this one isn´t exactly the MOW what I mean. MOW on the picture above I know very well I have two of them in my fleet in the current game. But that one which I mentioned was a little different, she didn´t have these yellow strips on the hull. But now it isn´t in the game already. Maybe this one on the picture here is some newest modification of it. I remember the only thing I didn´t like on this concrete type of Manowar was the fact all the quardrail on the ship was a little too high so as I couldn´t see what happened tightly by and below of my deck. It´s a pitty I don´t have some screenshot of her. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Rad`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rad)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, no, mates, this one isn´t exactly the MOW what I mean. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />[/quote]

Did she have an angel for a figurehead?
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-NathanKell`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NathanKell)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But Petros, you certainly have _my_ interest with that; and I ditto Inez's remarks--things move so fast that often even really great things get lost in the shuffle. :[/quote]

OK, so are we talking just a reskin to replace the Manowar_gub's skin or are we talking of adding a new ship to ship_init.c as well?
 
I'd prefer an additional ship, but that's just my personal opinion. Do you know how to code that?
 
Personally, I don't like having anything replaced unless the old version is 100% superfluous. Like with the Solingen Rapier: It was just a rapier with different stats. Now it's a rapier with a whole new (really great) look, unlike the other swords. A defenite improvement. I don't think the old MoW would be completely superfluous, even if the quality might be a bit lower. I like some variation, so the more ship skins, the better I consider it to be.
 
I like as much ships as possible too, but on the other hand I consider the MOW_gub really superfluous and I never buy it already. For what reason to have it here and block some place for something much better? There are ships I never buy and there are ships I always buy in PoTC. But for the reason of objectivity, please, do anybody some inquiry here, whether people would like to add new MOW or replace the MOW_gub by some new better design. In this case it would be fair.

Exactly Petros, she was MOW with angel on the bow. And I think she isn´t in the game already. At least I didn´t meet her anywhere. Why? I ask again anybody who knows the trutht about that. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->block some place<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
is that so ? Is there a limit on different ship types we can have ?
 
I don´t know exactly Inez but I think directly not but indirectly yes. I think there can be reasonable unlimited number of ships in the game but if you have about 10 ships in every shipyard for the choice and the ships are generated here partially by the rule of some program prescripts and partially by the casual selection, so in this case the more ships will be for the choice here the lesser will be a chance you buy the concrete ship which you would want and like. This is my opinion. For that reason I opened all the shipyards for all the ships (as Nathan and you advised me) and I don´t have any problems with the ships anymore. And it is very good, at least for me. It seems to me it is completely absurd situation here. Anybody who is able to model some good ships wants to have her or them in the game. For that reason the number of ships in the game is increasing constantly and it is good for a selection in the end. But despite of that some other or even the same people decided to permit only about 10 ships from about of 50 in any shipyard and furthermore subordinate them to several further restrictions what about their availibility concerns. I think and must repeat it again the amusement and challenge of the game should be based on complete different matters then on the restrictions for buying ships in shipyards (for example I can´t buy any MOW in Conceicao, maybe for the reason the some wise head suggested to some another people that Conceicao is too small for producing and selling any MOW, I don´t know). How one could know how the real situation was in those times in such shipyards? For me all those similar restrictions are only bothering bullsh*ts. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Inez` Dias+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Inez Dias)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd prefer an additional ship, but that's just my personal opinion. Do you know how to code that?[/quote]

Yep, I was able to add the WarGalleon to the game. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Rad`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rad)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Exactly Petros, she was MOW with angel on the bow. And I think she isn´t in the game already. At least I didn´t meet her anywhere. Why? I ask again anybody who knows the trutht about that.  :rolleyes:[/quote]

I ask because as far as I know, it is still in the game.

The reason why it may be hard to find/identify at the shipyards is because
there is no distinction made between the Manowar1, Manowar2, and Manowar_gub, in "Common.ini.

string = Manowar1,"Manowar"
string = Manowar2,"Manowar"
string = Manowar_gub,"Manowar"

Just change that last line to something like:
string = Manowar_gub,"ManowarG"
and it will be obvious when you come across it at the shipyards.
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Pieter` Boelen+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now it's a rapier with a whole new (really great) look, unlike the other swords. A defenite improvement. [/quote]
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
Right on.

Rad, there's no limit to the number of ships in a shipyard; we just go through every ship in the init file and test if it meets conditions, and if it does add it to the list.
The conditions being:
Is the town large enough to support this class of ship? (And if pirate, the answer is always yes).
Can we buy this ship? (refShip.canbuy == true)
If the ship has a specific nation, are we of that nation? (if it has no nation, fine).
Does the ship, even if it has no nation, have a nation which it _can't_ be bought from, and are we that nation? (refShip.skipnat0 if England can't sell them, for example)
Then there is a 1 in (8 - shipclass) chance that we will have it "in stock."

I believe in a previous post I showed you how to skip all these questions; I'm also making them based on settings in BuildSettings.h for easy toggling / tweaking.
 
Petros, it is a good idea. I will make this differentiations of MOW. But you know I were at all the islands at all the shipyard, I have all the ships available in them and I was buying one MOW after another but this grey MOW with white angel on the bow and with complemetary violet color isn´t here. For that reason I think this MOW was removed from the Build from some reasons. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" />

Nathan, I am using this removing restricitons in shipyards to my full satisfaction. But I think many people certainly didn´t know how to do it and it is pitty. But if you will do it easily toggled/tweaked in Build Settings.h, so it will be great. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />

And Nathan, please, I know I am a little anoying but I don´t like when is anything covered up before me and other people, so I am asking you again, where disappeared this above mentioned MOW and why ? Tell me the truth, please. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" />
 
Rad, like I said, I really don't know of any other MOW models than the five we already mentioned.
One is Petros's, above;
One is Rafe Bligh's, above;
One is Manowar1, sorta reddish brown with some black stripes, and a red shield for a figurehead
One is Manowar2, which is very bright, mostly yellow with green upperworks and a green wood arced post for a figurehead, gilded.
One is Manowar_Gub, the dark gray one, with very dark blue upperworks and the white angel figurehead.

I know of no others; perhaps you saw them in the A&M mod, or someone else's mod?

Or do you mean Clutch Marauder's Tyrant III?
{ visible in thread here: <a href="http://www.thelib.com/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=1558" target="_blank">http://www.thelib.com/yabbse/index.php?boa...y;threadid=1558</a> }
If so, she's never been released, and AFAIK Clutch and the rest of PMT are still working on her.

But also: you may occassionally not like answers I may give, but I promise never to lie to you. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
{Or anyone else, for that matter}

And I don't think anyone else here is lying either. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
It seems to me I am a crazy probably. Nathan, I don´t mean Tyrant III. I am not such an idiot.
I did what you and Inez suggested I put // on the begining of the above suggested line in the file Ships.c such a way

// if(Rand(`7-iClass`)) {continue;}

and in the shipyards all the ships appeared, at least I think they appeared all because the number of ships increased from about 10 to about 50 afterwards.

And then I visited all the shipyards and bought one MOW after another which were for buying but there were only three types of MOW in all game.

Manowar_gub, Weathered Manowar and Manowar 2. Not any other.

This type of grey MOW with complementary violet colour and white angel on the bow isn´t anywhere.

I think, I described this situation completely clearly now. So where are another Manowars? Why don´t appear in the game ?
 
Have you checked your ships_init.c and made sure that all manowar entries have neither refship.canencounter = false;
nor
refship.canbuy = false;

Because if one is set to canencounter = false, it will not be buyable.

{Manowar_gub is the one with the white angel}

If not, would you send me your file and let me take a peek?
Because then either you _are_ crazy or something deeper's wrong with the game, and I _don't_ think you're crazy.

Re: Tyrant III.
It was the only other MOW besides MOW_gub that had an angel figurehead, thus my thought...

What you refer to as Manowar_gub _is_ the one with the angel figurehead that's all black and dark blue, right?
 
Now I am confused even more because I was convinced Manowar_gub is the old brown Manowar from the basic original game. But you are teling me it is my favorite black (or grey) MOW with violet ( or as you say dark blue color) with white angel at the bow. I must check everything anew and if I discover nothing I will send you my save again. And please, when you are buying the MOW in shipyard, menu you aren´t able to recognize from the offer what MOW you are exactly buying. Could they be somehow dictinctly differentiated so as anybody would immediately recognize what type he is preparing to buy ? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/8q.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":8q" border="0" alt="8q.gif" />
 
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