Missing Ropes

Cylon13 · Oct 12, 2007

Ok it's not really a bug, it's more of a ship model issue ..i recently noticed that smaller ships like brig and schooner ship types are missing ropes from some of their sails/masts. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

What in the name of is going on with those ropes? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :shrug

" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

kevinatlanta · Oct 12, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cylon13 @ Oct 12 2007, 02:24 PM) [snapback]217467[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok it's not really a bug, it's more of a ship model issue ..i recently noticed that smaller ships like brig and schooner ship types are missing ropes from some of their sails/masts. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

What in the name of is going on with those ropes? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :shrug

" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /></div>

Post a screen shot (F8 key in game) of the ship and the name of the ship (i.e., Brig, Brig MM, Schooner, etc.) and I'll take a look at 'em in Inez Diaz TOOL. These "invisible ropes" are normally caused by a rope not having a start or end point. I've already fixed a couple "missing" ropes on ships in my game (the Bermuda Sloops), but haven't released them yet.

Check system.log for something like this:

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 13) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 143006988
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 2) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 143006988
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 22) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 143006988</div>

This "bad rope data" is SOMETIMES caused by the missing endpoints of a rope, however, some threads here have indicated it could also be caused by certain graphics cards. I can tell you that if a rope is "invisible" in game, then it is most likely caused by the missing BEGIN or END point.

kevin

Cylon13 · Oct 12, 2007

Ah ..okay anyways i noticed that not only small ships but any ship in game, most of them have the missing ropes. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Okay i'll try make screenshots of some missing rope ships. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Cylon13 · Oct 12, 2007

Here's the ship (Slib's brig) what i first noticed to be having invisible ropes.

<img src="http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/Cylon13/missingropes0.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Upper mast areas and the mizzen mast seem to be having missing ropes.

And heres my system.log
<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Scanning modules\
Loading modules...
Loaded 0
Reset...
Initializing CORE...
Creating atoms space: 128
done
initializing complete
Initializing DirectX 8
Techniques: 9 shaders compiled.
Techniques: 180 techniques compiled.
Techniques: compiled by 325255691 ticks.
BeginScene
The method call is invalid For example, a method's parameter may have an invalid value
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 1) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226104980
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 3) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226104980? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 2) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226104980
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 71) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226369740? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 7) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226359956? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 333) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226375140
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 14) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 227491972
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 13) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 227491972
Can't load texture resource\textures\.tx
Island Set
Release d3d8
Undefined error
Release d3d
Undefined error
Unloading
System exit and cleanup:
Mem state: User memory: 1074 MSSystem: 560 Blocks: 35
Leak: 'Bad memory address' line 0, size 55
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How do you fix those ropes anyways? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :shrug

" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

kevinatlanta · Oct 12, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cylon13 @ Oct 12 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]217487[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Here's the ship (Slib's brig) what i first noticed to be having invisible ropes.

Upper mast areas and the mizzen mast seem to be having missing ropes.

And heres my system.log
<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>BeginScene
The method call is invalid For example, a method's parameter may have an invalid value
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 1) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226104980
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 3) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226104980? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 2) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226104980
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 71) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226369740? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 7) (begin group=-1, end group=0)
Begin pointer = 226359956? end pointer = 0
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 333) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 226375140
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 14) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 227491972
Bad rope data for rope: (rope num = 13) (begin group=0, end group=-1)
Begin pointer = 0? end pointer = 227491972</div>

How do you fix those ropes anyways? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :shrug

" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /></div>

That "bad rope data" is NOT from bad rope mapping on the Brig SS. All ropes have a start and end point.

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>ropee1 - ropee1->ropeb1 both on brig3_mast1.gm CORRECT
ropee2 - ropee2->ropeb2 both on brig3_mast1.gm CORRECT
ropeb3 - ropee3 on brig3.gm, mid bow -> ropeb3 brig3_mast1.gm CORRECT
ropeb7 - ropeb7 on brig3_mast1.gm -> ropee7 on brig3_mast2.gm CORRECT
ropee13 - ropee13 on brig3.gm -> ropeb13 on brig3_rey_a1.gm CORRECT
ropee14 - ropee14 on brig3.gm -> ropeb14 on brig3_rey_a1.gm CORRECT
ropeb71 - DOES NOT EXIST on brig3
ropee333 - DOES NOT EXIST on brig3</div>

OK, so you THINK there should be ropes there? Or you WANT ropes there? Or are you sure that this is an "invisible" rope? You can normally tell if you have a sail that is billowing and appears to be anchored somewhere, but you cannot see a rope line.

Look at the Bermuda Sloop for an example.

"Invisible" Ropes: Caused by incorrect rope mapping. Currently this way in the builds.
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Fixed Ropes: Correct rope mapping. My unreleased corrections.
<div align="center"><a href="http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28223_rope1_122_178lo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc178/th_28223_rope1_122_178lo.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><a href="http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28223_rope2_122_1175lo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc1175/th_28223_rope2_122_1175lo.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><a href="http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28234_rope3_122_1122lo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc1122/th_28234_rope3_122_1122lo.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><a href="http://img184.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28239_rope4_122_367lo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img184.imagevenue.com/loc367/th_28239_rope4_122_367lo.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a></div>

And, you need to get to FULL SAILS to be able to see all the ropes.

FYI, I'm not positive, but the other ship in your screen cap could also be causing some of the errors. I think that the game will report rope errors for ANY ship in the scene. Could someone confirm that?

I'm working on a "hands-on" tutorial for "rope fixing" right now. I will post it as soon as it's ready.

kevin

Cylon13 · Oct 13, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Oct 13 2007, 01:05 AM) [snapback]217490[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>And, you need to get to FULL SAILS to be able to see all the ropes.

FYI, I'm not positive, but the other ship in your screen cap could also be causing some of the errors. I think that the game will report rope errors for ANY ship in the scene. Could someone confirm that?

I'm working on a "hands-on" tutorial for "rope fixing" right now. I will post it as soon as it's ready.</div>

Yes i want to see all the ropes, bellys and whistles! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :dance

" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" />

And indeed you are right about other ships in the seaview scene ..they could have pretty well the same rope problem.

Tutorial for "rope fixing" is exactly what i need ..what WE need ..Aye?

kevinatlanta · Oct 13, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cylon13 @ Oct 12 2007, 07:06 PM) [snapback]217491[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Oct 13 2007, 01:05 AM) [snapback]217490[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>And, you need to get to FULL SAILS to be able to see all the ropes.

FYI, I'm not positive, but the other ship in your screen cap could also be causing some of the errors. I think that the game will report rope errors for ANY ship in the scene. Could someone confirm that?

I'm working on a "hands-on" tutorial for "rope fixing" right now. I will post it as soon as it's ready.</div>

Yes i want to see all the ropes, bellys and whistles! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :dance

" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" />

And indeed you are right about other ships in the seaview scene ..they could have pretty well the same rope problem.

Tutorial for "rope fixing" is exactly what i need ..what WE need ..Aye?
</div>

OK, so these are not technically "invisible" or "missing" ropes? You want to ADD some NEW ratlines, ropes, etc. to the model(s)? Hopefully the tutorial will help you.

FYI - in the future, could you be a little more clear/concise in what you are asking for? You indicated there was a technical problem in your original question, when in fact you were asking for a new / add-on feature. It would have saved me A LOT of time.

kevin

Cylon13 · Oct 13, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Oct 13 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]217492[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>FYI - in the future, could you be a little more clear/concise in what you are asking for? You indicated there was a technical problem in your original question, when in fact you were asking for a new / add-on feature. It would have saved me A LOT of time.</div>

Sorry ..i really did not know much about ropes or anything about that this Brig SS DID not have those ropes added and i did not know to ask anything about tutorial either because i was not really sure about that rope thing.
Im still new to editing and fixing. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

kevinatlanta · Oct 13, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cylon13 @ Oct 12 2007, 07:21 PM) [snapback]217493[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevinAtlanta @ Oct 13 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]217492[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>FYI - in the future, could you be a little more clear/concise in what you are asking for? You indicated there was a technical problem in your original question, when in fact you were asking for a new / add-on feature. It would have saved me A LOT of time.</div>

Sorry ..i really did not know much about ropes or anything about that this Brig SS DID not have those ropes added and i did not know to ask anything about tutorial either because i was not really sure about that rope thing.
Im still new to editing and fixing. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
</div>

No problems. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

kevin

morgan terror · Oct 13, 2007

maybe you should take a look at the lugger VML. that one has pulleys. it would be nice to have that on other ships.

Cylon13 · Oct 13, 2007

Okay i giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive up! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :facepalm

" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /> I GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVEEEEEEEE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/urgh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":urgh" border="0" alt="urgh.gif" /> PEW! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :modding

" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />

Damn thing just won't go right, i tried to add should-have ropes for Brig1 whole day fer nothing. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :facepalm

" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />

EDIT: Im pissed ...i did everything i could AND THIS BLOODY THING JUST DOES NOT PUT THOSE SAILS WITH ROPES LIKE THEY SHOULD BE!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :modding

" border="0" alt="modding.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :modding

" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />

morgan terror · Oct 13, 2007

you forgot the GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Cylon13 · Oct 13, 2007

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :modding

" border="0" alt="modding.gif" /> ...lol! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :cheeky

" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

Anyways ..Kevins tutorial is right now, not talking about how to add ropes. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Cylon13 · Oct 13, 2007

Hooray! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :dance

" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" />

After that when i was gone like this smily --> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> i finally managed to find a WAY to get this s*** working,
i connected all the possible ropes on brig1 and brig3 ..but i did not touch mizzen masts (did they had a rope too?).

*dies happy* <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :cheeky

" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

Pieter Boelen · Oct 14, 2007

Is there any chance you can still be resurrected? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :rolleyes:

" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Cylon13 · Oct 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 14 2007, 01:10 PM) [snapback]217599[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Is there any chance you can still be resurrected? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :rolleyes:

" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /></div>

Lol.i was just dead tired from what i did yesterday.

If i get some time i will upload some pictures of some "with ropes" ships. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :yes

" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

morgan terror · Oct 14, 2007

well, i'd figure the mizzen would have some backstays, of course.

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