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New Shipyard Interface?

ah, i see. i should mention that i made a bit of a mix between reality and fiction here. i used much actual historical data, but the stuff about the crew is mostly based on in-game experience, apart from the xebec. i tried to make it seem like a professional discription of the in-game vessel, if it had excisted in reality with those exact stats.

in terms of rigging and general ship type, you can be pretty sure that it's historical stuff, especially the fleut, xebec and snow.

oh: if you want my opinion on a discription, i'm afraid you're going to have to paste it here, since Wrecky doesn't have Word or anything like that.
 
<!--quoteo(post=326532:date=Jun 8 2009, 05:21 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jun 8 2009, 05:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=326532"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ah, i see. i should mention that i made a bit of a mix between reality and fiction here. i used much actual historical data, but the stuff about the crew is mostly based on in-game experience, apart from the xebec. i tried to make it seem like a professional discription of the in-game vessel, if it had excisted in reality with those exact stats.

in terms of rigging and general ship type, you can be pretty sure that it's historical stuff, especially the fleut, xebec and snow.

oh: if you want my opinion on a discription, i'm afraid you're going to have to paste it here, since Wrecky doesn't have Word or anything like that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Ok thanks Morgan; ill keep that in mind <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> heres an example of mine;
<!--fonto:Times New Roman--><span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->
<!--fonto:Times New Roman--><span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc-->Lugger
<!--fonto:Times New Roman--><span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc-->Appearing in Western Europe in the 1590s, the Lugger shares close ties with the Junk and is a Fast, lightly armed coastal vessel; best suited for light trading thanks to its flat bottom and ability to luff most other ships.

Gun Boat


An ideal first ship due to it’s cheap price and reasonable armament, the 18<sup>th</sup>-19<sup>th</sup> century ‘Gun-Boat’ makes a perfect Miner or coastal skirmishing vessel. Nonetheless, it’s small size makes it extremely vulnerable to enemy fire.


Frigate
Not so much a type of ship, but the term used for a three-masted, square-rigged 18<sup>th</sup>-19<sup>th</sup> century rated naval vessel, <i>frigates</i> are a reasonably armed, fast and manouverable warship ideal for singular engagements against large merchants, convoys or smaller military vessels


Snow
Indigenous to Europe and the largest two-masted vessel of the 16<sup>th</sup>-19<sup>th</sup> centuries, this schooner hulled merchant ship is Brig-rigged allowing for faster speeds and better manoeuvrability.


<!--fonto:Verdana--><span style="font-family:Verdana"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Yeah I think ill try to keep it as historical as possible, and fil' in the 'gaps' with in-game experience, as you said.

Skye<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc-->
 
how historical is your info? i took my lugger info out of a nautical history book. your frigate discription seems correct, although i would have put it differently. they were a step up from the sloops of war, or maybe a high subclass, i'm not sure. pretty much one of the most commonly used kinds of warship, and one of the biggest you'd historically find in the caribbean. gunboat discription is good either way. all in all, yours are shorter. you could try making a blend of mine and your discriptions, but i would really appreciate historical accuracy.
 
<!--quoteo(post=326927:date=Jun 9 2009, 07:30 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jun 9 2009, 07:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=326927"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->how historical is your info? i took my lugger info out of a nautical history book. your frigate discription seems correct, although i would have put it differently. they were a step up from the sloops of war, or maybe a high subclass, i'm not sure. pretty much one of the most commonly used kinds of warship, and one of the biggest you'd historically find in the caribbean. gunboat discription is good either way. all in all, yours are shorter. you could try making a blend of mine and your discriptions, but i would really appreciate historical accuracy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Most of the obscure stuff im taking out of the Oxford Compendium to Ships and the sea; its basically a dictionary but terribly nautical <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> i also have an 1857 book on 'ships of the royal navy' which i use for warships or raters; To be honest i think thats pretty much as historic as they come cos it was written then! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Thoughn i think shortening them maybe made them make less sense. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />I too value historical accuracy; what was incorrect in the other descr's? I must admit the Snow being the largest two-master seemed a bit odd but it was in the Oxford book. Thanks for the interjection,

Skye
 
The information I've read seems to indicate that the definitions of various ship types have changed over the years. For example, I was thinking a Snow was a 3 mast sloop with a spanker added to the Mizzen. But it sounds like historically it was a bit different from what we now call a Snow.

So figure you will run into various changes in description and nomenclature for various vessels depending on when the reference you are using was published.

Cap'n Drow
 
a snow is, by my reckoning, a brig with an extra mastpiece mounted behind the mainmast base to allow a crossjack (mizzen mainsail, though there is a specific circumstance, which i won't be explaining now) and a gaff to be set at the same time.
 
Well, I double-checked and you are correct Morgan. Thanks for correcting me. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Cap'n Drow
 
well, good to know i was right. never know with ships. you know, i think what you were thinking of is a barque or a full rigger.

anyhow, a snow isn't terribly large in the game. in fact, it's smaller than other brigs, so maybe you should stick to it's characteristic extra mastpiece.

as for the lugger, you're probably correct, although i've never heard of your info. however, the french were the first to actually use the in-game lugger's design as a smuggler hunter.
 
<!--quoteo(post=327410:date=Jun 10 2009, 09:53 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jun 10 2009, 09:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=327410"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->well, good to know i was right. never know with ships. you know, i think what you were thinking of is a barque or a full rigger.

anyhow, a snow isn't terribly large in the game. in fact, it's smaller than other brigs, so maybe you should stick to it's characteristic extra mastpiece.

as for the lugger, you're probably correct, although i've never heard of your info. however, the french were the first to actually use the in-game lugger's design as a smuggler hunter.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Aye; right so <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Coincidentally Morgan, Ive got a bottle of Captain Morgans rum now;no doubt its your personal fav!;)

I dnt know how else to say this without sounding terribly anal but i steered clear of rigging as much as possible cos it requires somewhat nautical words wqhich only sailors or buffs may understand to the full xtent; and there isnt really another way of explaining withiut sounding childish i.e, 'this ship has a big mast and small mast with trianglular sail on back of rear mast' . though I think, as you explain very neatly morgan, that rigging is probably THE most vital part of descr to include cos it dictates the ships 'soul and personality'. Ill pay more attention to it in mine! Yeah i realised that about the snow; thats why i didnt think mine sounded at all accurate;) IN terms of the lugger, i think its the large rudder and large 'throat' (hate to sound superlandlubberish but i dont think i knowI know what this is! I know its got something to do with the corner of sail planes but thats it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /> ) with the flat bottom and comparitivly narrow beam. I guess it does make sense; i mean ill admit I dont know too much on lugsail rigging; i need to read up on it more, but it does seem to share a lot in common with the junk in terms of the...hmm im really showing my ignorance here arnt I... but what's it called when you have the sail on just one side of all masts Schooner rigged? no course not! I do know but my minds completly screwed today <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" /> Anyway yeah i think the rest is pretty much on th road to success, my friend!

SKye
 
heh. my personal picture is the rum's label, if you hadn't noticed yet.

the difference between a schooner (gaff rig) and a lugger is this: on a gaff, the yard is attached to the mast at the very end. it's the same kind of sail as you'd see on most ships on the mizzen mast. on a lugger, it's attached to the side of the mast and goes past it a bit. (keep in mind that a lugsail is square. when it's triangular, it's a lateen) the rig type is generally called a 'fore-to-aft rig'.

i must admit that i judge a ship's type largely by it's rigging, although the hull does indeed matter quite a bit in some cases, especially when you want to know what century it's from.

the point of the discriptions is the player getting the idea that 'this' ship is better than 'that one' and it's basic purpose. the use of nautical terms might not matter that much. like, "i've got no idea what those two words mean, but if you can set both of them instead of one, it must be better." just a matter of making it sound more impressive than another discription.

i'm not sure what you could mean by the throat. if you'd have an image, i'd know what it is.

it's kinda funny how i've really gained a hawk's eye for ship types. i've been able to tell a barque from a yacht from 1200 yards. pretty impressive if i may say so myself.
 
Wow I'm impressed by what you guys are all doing! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
Can't wait for the next patch/build version to come out!
 
Ship descriptions could be added to the "new" <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?showtopic=13692&view=getnewpost" target="_blank">PiratesAhoy! Wiki</a>! Then it'll be available for reference even before it's in the game! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rofl" border="0" alt="24.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=328070:date=Jun 12 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jun 12 2009, 02:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=328070"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ship descriptions could be added to the "new" <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?showtopic=13692&view=getnewpost" target="_blank">PiratesAhoy! Wiki</a>! Then it'll be available for reference even before it's in the game! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rofl" border="0" alt="24.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Ok ill see if I can add them to that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Morgan; on Macs the avatars dont work. Havnt a clue why but yes I think I do remember now. Good man! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

<a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vunvLutTE7QC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=rigging+throat&source=bl&ots=uqW2_1vUe4&sig=odDwf0LiMNp-H0o1JVo3GD8Tlw0&hl=en&ei=HlcySt6WFJm7jAeyn6mJCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4" target="_blank">http
://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vunvLut...t&resnum=4
</a>
Theres quite a bit about throats in gaff here I think <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

OK i understand that; ill aim to make it look impressive through sub-comparison and extravegent words like 'brilliant' and 'fully' without mentioning all the petty details. I.e,

The lugger is well suited as a Coastal Trader due to it's fully unique rig giving the ability to luff'

or something in that direction. I tried inserting the descr into the shipyard interface last night (on alpha 10) and realised just how little space there is. I know its important to keep it 'short and sweet' but Is there a way of making the point size slightly smaller?

Heh yeah; though I normally notice the Barque's stubby or the yacht's lower, longer hull before its sails. Though it might just be the paint job im being fooled by;) That is pretty impressive, Cp'n! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

Skye
 
<!--quoteo(post=328080:date=Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM:name=Dj Admiral)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dj Admiral @ Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=328080"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok ill see if I can add them to that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Only if it's not too much trouble, of course. The Wiki is something we're starting up just now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=328080:date=Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM:name=Dj Admiral)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dj Admiral @ Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=328080"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I tried inserting the descr into the shipyard interface last night (on alpha 10) and realised just how little space there is. I know its important to keep it 'short and sweet' but Is there a way of making the point size slightly smaller?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->There probably is, but I'm not 100% sure how.
I would recommend you send a PM to pirate_kk about your descriptions and screenshots mod.
He originally added the Ship Appearance mod and he'd be the one to turn to for required interface modifications. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
i'm sure it's in there. somewhere. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

can't someone just make a scrollable text for the shipyards? would be a lot easier to make the discriptions that way.
 
We could do anything, pretty much. Including adding a "read description" button and when you'd press it, you'd open a full book.
Completely with multiple chapters. The questions is... how much work do WE want to put in it and what is the PLAYER interested in reading?
 
oh, you'll be amazed at how much people will read. but if we are going to make a huge slab of text, it would be best to just show a brief discription first and then elaborate on it further down the page. but then again, you can always see the ship's stats if you want to know if it's better.
 
I was joking; personally I'd vote against huge slabs of text. We can resize the text or add a slider bar, but not make it TOO much.
 
The idea reminds me the "piratopedia" in Sid Meier's Pirates, with every single element of the game described in it ^^
 
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