NOT about "Atlantis: The Lost Empire"

[The Nameless Pirate]

And yet... laughter is BY FAR the most common response. It happened again last Saturday.

Neurotypical empathy showing again...?

Ah yes, because neurodiverse people are not empathetic.
Only "normal" people.

Since it has been mentioned...
I strongly believe that this is nonsense.
It's not that most are not empathetic or cold.
It just that this is how it seems from an outside perspective.
Not all people show empathy in the same way, or they can't show it. But it's not that they don't feel it.

A good example I can think of this in media is the Witcher.
There's this myth that witchers are emotionless. Which if you actually take the time know one you know that it is false.

Many "empathetic" typical people are the ones that are actually cruel.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Many "empathetic" typical people are the ones that are actually cruel.

Yes.

Yesterday I watched a documentary about faith; and how fundamentalist Christians believe that without the "fear of hell keeping them on the straight and narrow", people would be immoral.
Seems those people don't have a lot of faith in empathy then.

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

Personally I have two problems with this thinking.
Firstly is that it completely misses the point of Christianity in my opinion.
You are supposed to act like a good person out of love, not fear.
Secondly are those people who act morally really good if the thing that stops them is fear?

I try my best to be a good person, not because I fear the punishment, but because it's the right thing to do.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Firstly is that it completely misses the point of Christianity in my opinion.

Exactly.

I've been thinking the entirety of organised religion misses their own point.
The idea of "Christianity" shouldn't be to WORSHIP Christ; the intention should be to LIVE like Christ.
Big big difference there.

Likewise, proper Pastafarians shouldn't (just) be making silly joke and complaining about religion.
"Our" holy people are Pirates. The good type of pirates.
And that tells me a devout Pastafarian should aim to LIVE like a pirate.
But not the bloodthirsty evil bandit kind of pirate; but the Robin Hood kind of pirate.
Which was a real thing: Samuel Bellamy - Wikipedia

You are supposed to act like a good person out of love, not fear.

Sounds infinitely better!

And also ACT out of love (as opposed to just saying you love a lot; just "using the word" doesn't quite count).

Secondly are those people who act morally really good if the thing that stops them is fear?

They are not.
And that's why they slip up; and are thoroughly inconsistent in their goodness.

I try my best to be a good person, not because I fear the punishment, but because it's the right thing to do.

Best possible reason to do it.
And the funny thing is: you don't need to be religious for that one!

But also...

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

I've been thinking the entirety of organised religion misses their own point.
The idea of "Christianity" shouldn't be to WORSHIP Christ; the intention should be to LIVE like Christ.
Big big difference there.

Indeed in "worshipping" Christ it's essentially striving to live like him.
In short to do good.

It's not about nice clothes and going to the church to learn the latest gossip.

Likewise, proper Pastafarians shouldn't (just) be making silly joke and complaining about religion.
"Our" holy people are Pirates. The good type of pirates.
And that tells me a devout Pastafarian should aim to LIVE like a pirate.
But not the bloodthirsty evil bandit kind of pirate; but the Robin Hood kind of pirate.
Which was a real thing: Samuel Bellamy - Wikipedia

Indeed, it isn't only about the jokes.
There's something deeper in it. The majority of people miss it though.

There are those however that have been chosen by the sea. Drawn by her call.
Even if it is only in their imagination (for now), they have become pirates.
With or without their knowledge.

And just like ships, being a pirate is about freedom.

Sounds infinitely better!

And also ACT out of love (as opposed to just saying you love a lot; just "using the word" doesn't quite count).

Yes indeed.

Best possible reason to do it.
And the funny thing is: you don't need to be religious for that one!

Exactly, goodness can come from any place. Just as evil.

But also...

Both are right.
Depending on the person and circumstances the result can change.

Good people sometimes are manipulated.
Or sometimes religion may be an extra inspiration to do good.
As for bad people, they can say "it was the will of God".

 

[Pieter Boelen]

"Neurodiversity" is absolutely a thing. A very confusing thing.
A thing that is misunderstood more often than people get it actually right (or so goes my very very VERY strong suspicion).

Proof from literally yesterday:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/172...f_t=groups_admin_to_member_feedback&ref=notif

I managed to get a sensible explanation from the Modmin responsible for it:

Hi Pieter,
I was the moderator that took that action actually

Yes, unfortunately there were some horrific comments being posted while you were gone.
If I’m being honest, they were some of the worst comments I’ve ever seen in the group - and believe me, that’s hard to top.

I really do apologise that I had to remove your comment and the subthread following it but, as you can imagine, the comments were far from nice.

Please don’t let this discourage you from commenting in the future, this is an extremely rare occurrence.

If you have any further questions, either about this topic or the group in general, then please feel free to ask - I’ll be happy to help!

Thank you,
MTFBWY!

Thank you ever so much for that explanation!
That makes absolute perfect sense.

And I'm glad to know it wasn't MY words that were considered toxic.
That was my main worry...

It's never easy to know when you (or, in this case, me) are being toxic yourself.
But I do know that I don't want to be.


Truth be told, I have to admit I am not entirely surprised.
The point I raised is... a controversial one. To say the least.

Anytime! I’m always here and happy to help

The entire post was a toxic wasteland unfortunately, it really got some people riled up to say some horrible things.
This doesn’t happen often, but unfortunately in a group this big it does happen sometimes.

But again, know that I’m always here to help whenever you need a member of the mod team for something

Thank you again!
I really do appreciate it.

From my side, I apologize for triggering such toxic responses.
Even if I didn't do it myself; I did cause it.

As I said though, I cannot say I am surprised.
"Neurodiversity" (which was the topic of the entire thread) is one of the most complex subjects known to humankind.
And "Star Wars" is quite possibly the biggest thing worldwide that isn't actually religion.

Put the two together and... well...
You know what happened better than I do.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Indeed in "worshipping" Christ it's essentially striving to live like him.
In short to do good.

It's not about nice clothes and going to the church to learn the latest gossip.

"Worshipping" a person and "striving to live like a person" are mutually exclusive.
Worshipping a person places you below that person.
And you cannot truly live like that person unless you aim to place yourself on the same level.

Indeed, it isn't only about the jokes.
There's something deeper in it. The majority of people miss it though.

There are those however that have been chosen by the sea. Drawn by her call.
Even if it is only in their imagination (for now), they have become pirates.
With or without their knowledge.

And just like ships, being a pirate is about freedom.

You are correct.

Exactly, goodness can come from any place. Just as evil.

Yep.
I can easily imagine a "Lucifer-worshipper" also being a decent person.
As well as a Jesus-worshipper who isn't.
They're both possible.

Both are right.
Depending on the person and circumstances the result can change.

Good people sometimes are manipulated.
Or sometimes religion may be an extra inspiration to do good.
As for bad people, they can say "it was the will of God".

Even more complex:
People who are good at heart can cause a lot of bad without ever intending to.
Without being manipulated even.

Or at least... no longer directly manipulated.

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

I managed to get a sensible explanation from the Modmin responsible for it:

Thank you ever so much for that explanation!
That makes absolute perfect sense.

And I'm glad to know it wasn't MY words that were considered toxic.
That was my main worry...

It's never easy to know when you (or, in this case, me) are being toxic yourself.
But I do know that I don't want to be.


Truth be told, I have to admit I am not entirely surprised.
The point I raised is... a controversial one. To say the least.

Thank you again!
I really do appreciate it.

From my side, I apologize for triggering such toxic responses.
Even if I didn't do it myself; I did cause it.

As I said though, I cannot say I am surprised.
"Neurodiversity" (which was the topic of the entire thread) is one of the most complex subjects known to humankind.
And "Star Wars" is quite possibly the biggest thing worldwide that isn't actually religion.

Put the two together and... well...
You know what happened better than I do.

Good to see that there was actually a good reason behind it.
Though it's a bit saddening to see that it spawned bad behavior, it's not too surprising.
So I am more happy to see that it wasn't about you.

"Worshipping" a person and "striving to live like a person" are mutually exclusive.
Worshipping a person places you below that person.
And you cannot truly live like that person unless you aim to place yourself on the same level.

Not necessarily exclusive. Jesus according to Christianity was human and god. This could mean that you can live like him, because he lived like a human.

Also I specifically used quotation marks for the reason that should this change down the road they would most probably still call it worship.
Even though technically it's different.

Yep.
I can easily imagine a "Lucifer-worshipper" also being a decent person.
As well as a Jesus-worshipper who isn't.
They're both possible.

In fact, we may even know such people without knowing it.
Just learning of it wouldn't change if they are good people.

Even more complex:
People who are good at heart can cause a lot of bad without ever intending to.
Without being manipulated even.

Or at least... no longer directly manipulated.

Exactly! In the pursuit of doing what you think is good you may unwillingly do something bad.
You are still a good person, but one that made mistakes.
Likewise a bad person may unwillingly do good.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Not necessarily exclusive. Jesus according to Christianity was human and god. This could mean that you can live like him, because he lived like a human.

Wrong.
Not because he lived like a human.
Because he was human.

Somewhere in the Bible, I'm pretty sure it also says humans are made in God's image.
And there is a part of God inside every single one of us.
That makes ALL of us both "human and god".

In fact, we may even know such people without knowing it.
Just learning of it wouldn't change if they are good people.

Then hereby, I let you know it about me.
I do not worship Jesus.
But I did just finish watching the final episode of this:
Lucifer (TV series) - Wikipedia
It is worth it.
So very worth it!

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

Wrong.
Not because he lived like a human.
Because he was human.

That's what I meant with it.

Somewhere in the Bible, I'm pretty sure it also says humans are made in God's image.
And there is a part of God inside every single one of us.
That makes ALL of us both "human and god".

Yep, in fact it's one of the first things said.
Still people certainly don't act like it in most cases.

Then hereby, I let you know it about me.
I do not worship Jesus.
But I did just finish watching the final episode of this:
Lucifer (TV series) - Wikipedia
It is worth it.
So very worth it!

I already knew that.
I have heard very good things about this series, so I plan to watch it at one point.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

That's what I meant with it.

Good!

Yep, in fact it's one of the first things said.
Still people certainly don't act like it in most cases.

People have good, bad and neutral all inside of them.

I already knew that.

Pretty sure I had indeed already mentioned it before.

It wasn't exactly by accident that I wrote "Lucifer-worshippers", rather than "Satan-worshippers" or some other name...

I have heard very good things about this series, so I plan to watch it at one point.

If you can afford to spend the time and you have the luxury of choice:
Choose "Lucifer" over "Atlantis: The Lost Empire".

It is entertaining. It is funny.
It is thought-provoking.
It is heartbreaking.

And if there is ONE main subject it is actually about, then that subject would be HEALTHY PSYCHOLOGY!

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

If you can afford to spend the time and you have the luxury of choice:
Choose "Lucifer" over "Atlantis: The Lost Empire".

It is entertaining. It is funny.
It is thought-provoking.
It is heartbreaking.

And if there is ONE main subject it is actually about, then that subject would be HEALTHY PSYCHOLOGY!

It's that good?!
Better than Atlantis is high praise coming from you!

As for what I will watch, probably both.
Atlantis is easier to watch due to needing less time. But I will get to watch Lucifer at one point.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

It's that good?!
Better than Atlantis is high praise coming from you!

They're not even in the same league.
Atlantis is good entertainment; with formerly some inspiration to it.

But Lucifer contains far more philosophy and wisdom and healthy psychology and stuff.
Same goes for "The Good Place", which is also thoroughly worth it.

If I am not mistaken, today is the official anniversary of Atlantis' original release.
There's this big event for it with lots of special guests.
And I don't care anymore.
My enthusiasm has been thoroughly burned.

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

They're not even in the same league.
Atlantis is good entertainment; with formerly some inspiration to it.

But Lucifer contains far more philosophy and wisdom and healthy psychology and stuff.
Same goes for "The Good Place", which is also thoroughly worth it.

Makes sense, different goals, different qualities.

If I am not mistaken, today is the official anniversary of Atlantis' original release.
There's this big event for it with lots of special guests.
And I don't care anymore.
My enthusiasm has been thoroughly burned.

I am sure that it will be around in some way when your enthusiasm for it comes back.
There was a similar event for The Witcher games 10 year anniversary.
I hadn't watched it whole then, but I did later.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

I am sure that it will be around in some way when your enthusiasm for it comes back.
There was a similar event for The Witcher games 10 year anniversary.
I hadn't watched it whole then, but I did later.

Guess you're right:

Still not watching.

 

[The Nameless Pirate]

Nice, I will add it to a watch much later playlist.

I will also skip it for now, I really don't have 5 hours at the moment!