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Corsair Frigate "Crescent" and Tyrant III

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:d: Introducing the Corsair Frigate: the Crescent!

In 1796 the United States ratified a peace treaty with Hassan Pasha the Dey of Algiers.
Under terms of the treaty the US would pay a lump sum of $642,500 and an annual tribute of $21,600
(was paid until 1814), which in today's money is equal to $8,995,000 and $302,400 respectively. In
exchange, the Algerian Corsairs would no longer attack Yankee Merchant Ships, and all Yankee
captives would be released.
The lump sum payment had to be delayed for various reasons; and in order to keep the peace, and buy
some time; the Dey would be presented with 4 tribute Ships. These were to be "corsair" vessels of Naval
design, of the best materials, and the finest Quality. A great deal of care was taken to meet the exact
requirements of vessels used by the Corsairs. All 4 of the Ships were also to be Superior in every way to
those that the Dey had received from the European powers.
The "Corsair" vessels were to consist of, 2 Schooners, 1 Brig and the most important, and the most
impressive, was the 32 `gun-rate`, Corsair Frigate "Crescent". She was deliberately made as small as her
rate would permit; and was pierced for 36 (18 per side) 12 pounder, broadside cannons. The Crescent
was designed by Josiah Fox and was built by James Hackett of Portsmouth New Hampshire; of the
same materials as the USS Constitution, including the "Iron hard" Live Oak.
Josiah Fox Apprenticed at age eighteen to the master constructor at his Majesty's Dockyard at
Plymouth, he was later employed as a shipwright. He made a number of voyages to many of the best
Shipyards, took many notes and studied the latest in ship design and construction.
He immigrated to the United States in 1793, at the age of 30, and 1 year later was employed to design
ships for the soon to be US Navy, and He helped design the Frigates "Constitution", and "United States".
The Crescent was the first ship designed exclusively by Mr. Fox, and with this Ship he was finally able to
express his best ideas to the fullest. She was launched in June of 1797, was noted as being a very Fast
sailer, easy to handle, and like all of the new American Frigates being built and launched at the time,
could sail with in 6 points of the wind. It also had a poop deck which had been greatly phased out, in
many ship designs and Navies, but were still preferred by the Barbary Corsairs.

I have a lot of descriptive info about this Ship while it was in the US, but I have not been able to find any
history on it after it was presented to the Dey of Algiers. However I also have not been able to find any
type of picture of it? Although I do have the plans for the Corsair brig and one of the Corsair Schooners,
and I am making arrangements to procure the plans of the Crescent, but this is a lengthy process.
If any one has any images or Algerian History of the Crescent; Please post it here, and or email to me.
For know based on the info that I gathered together, I have done my best to capture the "Spirit" of this,
extraordinary, one of a kind Ship.
I hope that I did her justice??

Notable changes are as follows: I eliminated 2 broadside guns (they don't function on the PotC Frigates
anyway), eliminated the aft lamp, lowered the Ships windage by about 5 feet, which gives it the illusion of
the Ship being about 15 feet longer, all new graphics, including copper plating at and below the water
line, lowered it's capacity, and I set the speed at a bit over 1 knot more than the fastest PotC Frigate.
I will be releasing this as a beta version, but will be adding more and correct sails for the final version.
I will also try to recreate the "Corsair" Brig, and "Corsair" Schooners when I get a chance??

From the very beginning I have been annoyed with the improper scaling of many of the ship models in
PotC; in this case the PotC Frigate models. This is almost as annoying as the PotC Corvette which is
NOT a Corvette at all, but only a smaller class of Frigate
.
The PotC frigate is about the size of what would have been a 24/28 gun Frigate carrying 6 to 12
pounders, at best, and a tonnage of 500 to 700, did not give them the ability to carry taller masts;
although they would have made good gun platforms, only a rare few could have reached more than 12
knots. In the game they've put 38/44, 12 to 32 pounders on board and have them sailing at a ridiculous
13.3/15.4 knots; and have them listed at 900 to 1100 tons.
Here is how the PotC Frigates compare to some real Frigates.
(pd: length between Perpendiculars)
(mb: width of moulded Beam)
(dh: depth in the Hold)
(oal: over all length)
(tb: burthen Tons)
(guns bs: amount of Broadside Guns that were carried, or could be carried)

1855,USS Santee......................190.0 pd, 47.0 mb, 14.4 dh, 208.0 oal, 1726 tb. 52/70 guns bs
1797,USS Constitution: .............175.0 pd, 43.6 mb, 14.3 dh, 190.0 oal, 1576 tb. 48/58 guns bs
1797,USS Constellation: ............164.0 pd, 40.6 mb, 13.6 dh, 179.0 oal, 1268 tb. 38/46 guns bs
1797,Corsair Frigate Crescent: ...132.0 pd, 32.0 mb, 10.2 dh, 139.0 oal, 650 tb. 32/36 guns bs
1776,CN Boston...........................118.0 pd, 32.0 mb, 10.3 dh, 128.0 oal, 520 tb. 24/28 guns bs
-----,PotC Frigates: ......................118.5 pd, 32.0 mb, 10.3 dh, 127.0 oal, 555 tb. 36/38 guns bs

Here are the stats for the Corsair Frigate Crescent:

ShipsTypes[SHIP_CORSAIR_FRIGATE_CRESCENT]);
Ship.Name....................= "CorsairF1";
Ship.Class.....................= 2;
Ship.Cannon.................= CANNON_TYPE_CANNON_LBS12;
Ship.MaxCaliber...........= 16; // 32Carronade
Ship.Weight..................= Tonnes2CWT(650);
Ship.Capacity...............= 2150;
Ship.CannonsQuantity.. = 42; // 36 bs. / 4 aft / 2 bc.
Ship.MaxCrew.............= 390;
Ship.MinCrew..............= 54;
Ship.SpeedRate............= 16.8; // 17.4 // 18.5
Ship.TurnRate...............= 47;
Ship.Price.....................= 171000;
Ship.HP........................= 8900;

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Excellent job. I like the way you guys are moving away from the fantastical world of PotC and into the realm of historicism and realism. Perhaps the "game date" will effectively be changed from 1630 to 1720 or perhaps even the Napoleonic Wars. Just a question that you might clear up for me.

I can't find any consistant definition of a corvette. The best I can come up with is "A small frigate." A frigate, though, does have a very consistant defintion:

"Vessels of the first three rates, and occasionally the fourth, were recognized as `line-of`-battle ships (ships with an armament powerful enough to lie in the line of battle - that being `50-70` guns or more). Fifth- and `sixth-rate` ships were known as firgates, whose tasks in times of war varied from active participation in battles as `signal-repeating` ships for the main fleets to convoy escort duty" (de St. Croix 54).

If `fifth-rates` had between `32-50` guns, and `sixth-rates` had anything up to 32, would a corvette then be a `sixth-rate` frigate? Perhaps there is a minor difference in rigging practice that differentiates between frigates and corvettes. The rating system only applied to ships, so brigs, sloops, and schooners were unrated vessels.

More on frigates:

"The fifth- and `sixth-rate` ships, or frigates, never fought in the line of battle, but in fleet actions were stationed separately withe primary duties other than fighting. The frigate sailed considerably better than its larger brethren, and this capability was exploited for carrying out such tasks as providing reconnaissance for a main fleet and, in battle, serving as a repeating ship to fly the admiral's signals so that other ships in the line, possibly denied any direct line of sight to the admiral's ship by gun smoke or intervening ships, could read his signals. The frigate could also operate independently of a fleet for the escort of convoys or, as the converse of this task, finding and attacking the enemy's convoys or independently routed merchentmen, a role in which the frigate was generally known as the cruiser" (Chant 57).

It seems like most defintions follow in this trend. Any ideas about a corvette other than just a smaller frigate? Regardless, excellent job, I look forward to your groups fine work.
 
Awsome job Clutch since I love to sail My Frigate The Widow Maker..Really nice touch with the name on the stern of the ship,beautiful detail. :b::
 
Very nicely done! I was wondering if you could be the person I could talk to about making a ship based on the constitution style frigate? Would you be up to the task? Once again nice job on this one! :mrgreen: :b:: :mrgreen:

P.S. Where can I download this?

P.S.S. Love the boat and the cannons!
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-jmv575`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jmv575)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps the "game date" will effectively be changed from 1630 to 1720 or perhaps even the Napoleonic Wars.  Just a question that you might clear up for me.

I can't find any consistant definition of a corvette.  

[/quote]

:d: Thank you for the kind words!

Actually I was thinking of 1488 to about 1855, the end of the age of sail; as I am thinking of making new 3D models of 3 early monsters of the sea; like HMS Regent, Great Harry, and Mary Rose. Built between 1488 and 1547, they carried between 122 and 225 guns, from very small swivel guns, 60+ pounders. I am currently working on a frigat and corvette from 1855.

The 1 - 6 rating system was primarily developed and used by the British, for administrative purposes. British sailors would refer to their ships and their enemies ships mostly by the numder of Guns. i.e. "Ahoy, a French 74 off the port bow" or "This is His majesties ship of 80 guns"
Most other Navies of the world had there own systems that were based on the type of ship and number of broadside guns, i.e. a "8 gun Sloop, 10 gun sloop, 16 gun corvette, 32 gun frigate, or a 50 gun `Man-o`-War".

The French called their "Sloops of war", "Barque longues" or "Corvettes".
A "sloop of war" was a ship rigged warship smaller than a "Frigate", that carried all of it's main battery on a single deck.
Other Navies adopted the term "Corvette" to refer to sloops of war that had partial or full light spar decks or weather decks to protect the gun crews.
"Frigates" had a full gun deck, plus 2 or more broadside guns mounted on a second deck. (Many consider the "Pinnace" to be the earliest form of frigate)
A double banked "Frigate" had to 2 full Gun decks. The earliest form of double banked Frigates were, cut down, or razed `Men-o`-War.
"`Man-o`-War" was any Ship larger than a Frigate that carried more than two decks of guns. (2 or more broadside guns on a third deck or more)

I hope this helps? :b:
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-muddymonkey77`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muddymonkey77)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Very nicely done!  I was wondering if you could be the person I could talk to about making a ship based on the constitution style frigate?  Would you be up to the task?  Once again nice job on this one! :mrgreen:  :b::  :mrgreen:

P.S. Where can I download this?

P.S.S. Love the boat and the cannons![/quote]

Thank you! :d:

The "Constitution" is one of the New 3D models that I am makeing for PotC.
 
Thanks, that makes perfect sense then why you would say that the in game corvette model is more of a smaller frigate. Indeed, my research would show the RN's administrative since many of my sources deal with the RN exclusively.

Since the Black Pearl model is 44 gun ship rigged vessel with three masts each with top masts and topgallant masts and yards on each, would she then be a frigate?
 
:mrgreen:
The "Constitution" is one of the New 3D models that I am makeing for PotC
Thanks!!!

But you forgot to say where we can get this model for our own game. I would like to download it!
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-muddymonkey77`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muddymonkey77)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->:mrgreen:
The "Constitution" is one of the New 3D models that I am makeing for PotC
Thanks!!!

But you forgot to say where we can get this model for our own game. I would like to download it![/quote]

:b: Oops.........sorry........

Beta versions of the "Crescent" and the "Tyrant III" will be available for testing, in the upcoming NK build 10.0.
I will also try to make them available to download for testing; for those who don't have the build. :d:

hth
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-jmv575`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jmv575)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Since the Black Pearl model is 44 gun ship rigged vessel with three masts each with top masts and topgallant masts and yards on each, would she then be a frigate?[/quote]

:d: The "Black Pearl" is mislabeled in the game it only has 40 guns functionally and visually 17 + 17 broadside, 2 bow chasers, and 4 aft.
It has 2 main gun decks, plus 4 guns on the Quarter deck; which makes it a small `Man-o`-War. :b:

hth
 
looks god mate, making me thing about reinstaling POTC again :b:
 
That looks beautiful Clutch :mrgreen:

Will the retextured Ships Boat be included along with the new ships in the next Build release?
 
Thanks for the compliments! :D

I will try to post an update soon; and I could put the info about the "Tyrant III" here again, if you wish? ...................it seems to have disappeared with the "Original Forum"
here??
 
Thank you for getting back to us Clutch Maurader! Pleas do post the Tyrant's info here. I look forward to the update!
 
Simply amazing! Being that the Frigate is my favorite ship in PotC, I am really looking forward to this. :mrgreen:

Any chance that you could release that deck.tga as a taster? :cheers
 
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