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two weapons fighting could it been possible in POTC

Cpt. Wolf359

Cpt. Wolf359

Landlubber
I got idea about two swords fighting in POTC Build Mod or one sword and dagger. I seen in many adventure movies that type of combat (expecally one rapier sword and dagger) I personally think thaz this been nice combat addon. If this is possible to made for POTC of course. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jackhat.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":j2" border="0" alt="jackhat.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel_pa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ixi" border="0" alt="duel_pa.gif" />

What you think?

This is some nice pictures of sword and dagger sets

<img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/163SETgall2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/142set.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
I take it you mean including an animation for one blade in each hand? Not likely to be possible. Best we could do is quickly swap between the two weapons in the same hand, similar to the functionality of the current quick-equip keys.
 
or just to make lokator on other hand, where dagger will show... an use the same animation... only just he wont use daggers in fight, but still...
 
<!--quoteo(post=262311:date=Jun 16 2008, 08:41 PM:name=SuperDurnius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperDurnius @ Jun 16 2008, 08:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->or just to make lokator on other hand, where dagger will show... an use the same animation... only just he wont use daggers in fight, but still...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

But then how's he gonna use his pistol ?
 
with his teeth. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /> but you do have a point. if this would ever be made, the player should choose between a second weapon and a pistol. of course, the second weapon would require higher skill.
 
<!--quoteo(post=262331:date=Jun 16 2008, 10:58 PM:name=damski62)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (damski62 @ Jun 16 2008, 10:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262331"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=262311:date=Jun 16 2008, 08:41 PM:name=SuperDurnius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperDurnius @ Jun 16 2008, 08:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->or just to make lokator on other hand, where dagger will show... an use the same animation... only just he wont use daggers in fight, but still...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

But then how's he gonna use his pistol ?
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Mightbe chose, 2 weapons (bonus to melee, or critical or smth like that) or weapon plus pistol...
 
Ok say it's a gun, a 'daggerpistol'. Pressing the shoot pistol button will make the player do one 'hit' and immediately take down his dagger again. A very short 'reload time' and he's ready to stab again. The problem is to detemine if he has hurt anybody?
 
<!--quoteo(post=262422:date=Jun 17 2008, 09:40 AM:name=Jack Rackham)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jack Rackham @ Jun 17 2008, 09:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262422"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok say it's a gun, a 'daggerpistol'. Pressing the shoot pistol button will make the player do one 'hit' and immediately take down his dagger again. A very short 'reload time' and he's ready to stab again. The problem is to detemine if he has hurt anybody?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But then that 'daggerpistol' would work more like 'pistol' than a 'dagger'. Its range should be set to minimum as well so player couldn't 'shoot' to people on distance (yes, main character could throw dagger, but we do have throwable knife in game already). Anyway, that still feels like a scabrous subject...

pirate_kk
 
Wonder if a very short pistol range stops character from drawing the 'gun' or firing it or doing any damage. I've tried a little with 2 blades and it LOOKS good, best was when blocking with an short axe (blade hand) and stretching out the left (gun hand) with a sword. It's maybe too strange to sheath the blade after every hit though.
 
Check what Sir Christopher Mings did with his Skull character model: he added a bunch of additional guns to the model. They don't actually work, but they look cool. Possibly something like that could also be done with a second blade/dagger?
 
<!--quoteo(post=262256:date=Jun 16 2008, 08:48 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jun 16 2008, 08:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262256"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I take it you mean including an animation for one blade in each hand? Not likely to be possible. Best we could do is quickly swap between the two weapons in the same hand, similar to the functionality of the current quick-equip keys.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


<!--quoteo(post=262333:date=Jun 16 2008, 10:01 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jun 16 2008, 10:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262333"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->with his teeth. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /> but you do have a point. if this would ever be made, the player should choose between a second weapon and a pistol. of course, the second weapon would require higher skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes I THINK on fighting with two melee weapons (one in each hands)...

pistols are good vs one enemy but when you have boarding fight vs numerous enemy's pistols is not usuful <u>against it such as two swords </u> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel_pa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ixi" border="0" alt="duel_pa.gif" />

if this my idea can become real this been amazing <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2up" border="0" alt="thumbs1.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=262333:date=Jun 16 2008, 10:01 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jun 16 2008, 10:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262333"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->with his teeth. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /> but you do have a point. if this would ever be made, the player should choose between a second weapon and a pistol. of course, the second weapon would require higher skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

yes I agree to add special requisition for two melee combat (professional fencer skill) for using it.
 
The Skull model is not in the Build yet, but it's on the FTP.

As far as two-weapon fight: perhaps we could add a button to switch from your pistol to your second "gun-blade" and back. The "gun-blade" would be a gun with an extremely short range like Jack Rackham suggested. That's probably the best that can be done. It'd be weird, but it'd work. That way you could just fire your gun on the beginning of the boarding, then grab your second blade and use that in close combat as a gun. You'd probably still see smoke though... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
 
wouldn't work. or maybe it would, but in a different way. for instance, you still draw your gun if the enemy is out of range, but you simply miss. however, the gun-drawing animation could pass for a slashing motion, so it would look allright. but you're also right about the smoke. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> although, throwing knives don't have this.
 
Indeed, being able to help you with a dagger would be a good thing - but the question is, what difference will there be with a normal spacebar-blade attack? Surely this kind of attack, being 'a gun', wouldn't be blocable - but if that so, won't it hurt a bit playability and game ballance?

Anyhow, that would be worth a try.
 
<!--quoteo(post=262763:date=Jun 19 2008, 04:46 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jun 19 2008, 04:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=262763"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As far as two-weapon fight: perhaps we could add a button to switch from your pistol to your second "gun-blade" and back. The "gun-blade" would be a gun with an extremely short range like Jack Rackham suggested. That's probably the best that can be done. It'd be weird, but it'd work. That way you could just fire your gun on the beginning of the boarding, then grab your second blade and use that in close combat as a gun. You'd probably still see smoke though... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


We had a similar conversation a couple of yrs ago about this on this <a href="http://forum.piratesahoy.net//index.php?showtopic=6919&st=20" target="_blank">Thread</a> & you said then

<!--quoteo(post=150189:date=Jun 3 2006, 09:03 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Jun 3 2006, 09:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=150189"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->About two swords/pistol-blade combinations. Pistol-blade should be possible by making adding two items, one blade, one gun to the game. Then make some changes to LAi_events.c to make the game switch between the two. You wouldn't be able to use another blade or gun ingame in that case though.<u> Using two swords would be pretty impossible, I think</u> . <u>The game's animation doesn't support it</u>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Is it possible now ?

I have always wanted to see it in game, but after we discussed it back then I thought it wasn't possible or practical.
 
This thread is incredible. Lots of ideas in it, that the least we can say... Might be good to re-examinate it, and see what is still impossible, or not.
 
I'm pretty sure the smoke will not appear if that pistoldagger has no 'gunfire' locator.
 
Good point about the smoke; indeed the throwing daggers <i>don't</i> have it. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />

As for the animation: it's as impossible now as it was then. The only thing I think might be possible would be what Jack Rackham suggests: To make a gun that looks like a sword, give it a <i>very</i> short range and pretend that firing your gun is actually stabbing the enemy character. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
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