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[WIP] HMS Endymion 1797

Discussion in 'Ship Modeling' started by Martes, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    For better or worse, I have laid a keel for her today.

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    I can't say I have much information about her, except the drawing set (and one for Pomone) from NMM and a number of vague pictures, so it will include a considerable amount of guesswork, but I do find her attractive, ummm, in a French way. :rolleyes:
     
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  2. Pieter Boelen

    Pieter Boelen (Not So) Old Seadog Staff Member Administrator Storm Modder Hearts of Oak Donator

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    Another ship? AWESOME!!! :bow
     
  3. Grey Roger

    Grey Roger Sea Dog Staff Member Storm Modder

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    Oh yes, please! At the moment we have an "Endymion" class (and, for that matter, her French equivalent, the "Artemise" class). But they're basically retextured versions of the Constitution. A genuine "Endymion" class would be a welcome addition indeed!
     
  4. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    I'll try to! :checklist

    I intend to make her a little bit more detailed (and facecount-heavy) than the Indy, but it will be still pretty much the same array of spare parts.

    What I would be grateful, though, that if anybody finds any more shots of her model or a sail plan... I can do with what I have, but more information never hurts.
     
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  5. Armada

    Armada Sea Dog Staff Member Administrator Project Manager 3D Artist Storm Modder

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    Caught the shipbuilding bug, did you? One's just not enough. :p

    Looking forward to seeing further progress!
     
  6. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    I just thought how could I describe this... streak. Yes, I definitely caught it.

    Should try to make the most of it, though.

    Ah, that lovely French hull form, adored by all navies around the world:

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  7. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    Hurray for British Standard once again.

    Some tweaks, a cut or two, a little rotation and rescale - and Endy has her very own stern gallery.

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  8. Captain Armstrong

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    One of my favorite frigates ever built! The French really should have built more sister-ships of the Pomone to act as frigate squadron flagships. It was an exceptionally good design, and must've been much more cost effective for mounting 24pdrs than the Forte and Egyptienne, as wonderful as those frigates were as well. Its interesting how even though the midsection is quite similar to other french frigates, the ends-while not obviously finer or fuller-are formed in a much straighter fashion compared to almost all other frigate plans I've seen. Take your time with her, I'm sure you'll do her justice.:dance

    This model (though labeled Pomona)Pomona (1800)(?); Warship; Frigate; Fifth rate; 40 guns - National Maritime Museum is clearly the Endymion with built up bulwarks. I have more resources(including a sailplan of her fir-built sisters) I'll get to you in time.
     
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  9. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    The Russians noted that and produced 44 (Fourty Four !!! - if I got that correctly) copies over the first half of the 19th century. And one copy of HMS President just in case.

    I do hope so! I did allocate much more vertices to her hull form, that caused me much headache, but the progresses well enough.

    Thanks for the model, it looks like a right one, and I will look forward for other pictures if you have them :)
     
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  10. Armada

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    How many polygons are you aiming for this time (for the whole ship), out of interest?
     
  11. Martes

    Martes Master Mariner Storm Modeller Storm Modder

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    It will be the same parts set, after all, just a bit more detailed hull.
    I suspect I won't cross 150k, including rigging, maybe just a little. Indy has 137k.
     
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  12. Martes

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    While being mostly busy with converting the Indefatigable to unity with @Armada, I placed the main wale (thanks to model photos provided by @Captain Armstrong, as there was little indication of it's position and size on the drawings, and Liffey is structurally close, but not enough), and rails.

    And, meditating on various drawings for bow details, I thought about what I am going to do with the figurehead.
    It should depict Endymion, but... how? He's sleeping on all his statues, and we can't have the fastest frigate ever with a sleepy guy as a figurehead, can we? o_O

    Yet, for all we know, there was some kind of statue there:
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    Anyway, not that I found out really what it was, but I scourged the net for some 3d scans of various marble statues and came out with a handy collection of classical Greeks, Romans and even a statue of a French lady from the times of Ancien Regime, sitting on a bench (I swear I saw a frigate with very similar figurehead).

    And one real figurehead to boot, though, depicting an angel.

    They are insanely detailed, since they are intended for 3d printing, but that can be quite easily dealt with (tested already, 300k polys -> 5k converts all right), and painted white as marble, I guess. Maybe I'll make a set sometimes.
     
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    :rofl
    Maybe he can be FAST ASLEEP? :razz

    That is seriously cool!!!
    Are those freely available for reuse?
     
  14. Martes

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    From the looks of it, yes.
    Museum pieces scanned by volunteers and I did not find any restrictive licenses out there, at least on what I have downloaded.
     
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    Even better!! :woot
     
  16. Martes

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    A little (and very experimental) update with special thanks to @Armada and textures from Bellona.

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  17. Martes

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    10,000 triangles of carved wood:

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    (well, it's more like 6k at the moment, but I am not nearly finished with that part)

    Also, this ensemble will get backported to Indy. In time.
     
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  18. Martes

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    I think, by now you should have realized I am a crazy maniac.


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    Good job, mania.....ehh, martes!

    Any chance for close up of the figure head, I´m pretty interested how the conversion from 300k to 5k tris worked out. By the looks of it, unwrapping that thing isn´t going to be fun :p
     
  20. Martes

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    In this particular case it's 600k to 6k.

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    Not ideal, but manageable, and, the best part, the process is fully automatic.
    I am still figuring out the optimal settings for the decimation tool in Blender, that provides that effect, since there is a number of ways it can work.

    Don't even mention that! o_O
    In fact, I did not plan to. I thought to take the detailed model, bake a normal map texture from there and give it marble-white paint and some smoothing on top. A statue is a statue, after all.

    To the lurking question why I chose this particular statue...
    I found a photo of contemporary model of an older Endymion, two-decker, which featured a generic greek shepherd, and this one simply looks close enough.
     
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