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<!--QuoteBegin-Pieter Boelen+May 26 2005, 06:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ May 26 2005, 06:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you were to remodel a male model into a female, would it still have the male animation that is capable of sitting down? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><div align="right">[snapback]107287[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Oh, poor you, thinking like me! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Yes, I was thinking that before, but I didn't want to say anything as I have yet to compare just how different they are - can I make the lady justice? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

But yes, that is what I intend to try next - having failed to make a sitting model simply because, for unknown reason, the Tool refused to even load the new model. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> I suspect

I suppose the sitting lady would need to be imported as an <i>object</i>, and I have yet to look into how to do that. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />

I will go try the gender-bender thingymagingy now. Will report as soon as I know how shapely I can(not) make her... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-CatalinaThePirate+May 26 2005, 08:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CatalinaThePirate @ May 26 2005, 08:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Pieter Boelen+May 26 2005, 10:23 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ May 26 2005, 10:23 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you were to remodel a male model into a female, would it still have the male animation that is capable of sitting down? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> <div align="right">[snapback]107287[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I believe so. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> If the model still has the male skeleton, it still should have the animation to sit down, regardless of the shape. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /><div align="right">[snapback]107299[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup, and the male charcter (Blaze) have got like twice and more animations! Sit on the floor, lean on a disk/table and what not. I want that... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel_pa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ixi" border="0" alt="duel_pa.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-High Sea Lass+May 26 2005, 12:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(High Sea Lass @ May 26 2005, 12:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->gender-bender thingymagingy<div align="right">[snapback]107300[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oooohhh, PUN!!! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I like it! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />
 
Modeling a male model into a female has been discussed before, and it will work without problems (actually that's what Alan has done with Beatrice) - only some people complained because the males don't have the hip swing ...
 
Well, I've turned Blaze into Blazie. True, no swinging of the hips, but hey, she's no lady, she's a pirate, arr! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sailr.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":sail" border="0" alt="sailr.gif" />

<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Glad you enjoyed my wacky sense of humour, Cat. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Now, how do I scale her down again so I don't mess anything up? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> She is taller than most guys at the moment, heh... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huhh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:k" border="0" alt="huhh.gif" /> I did try to scale her, but, hmm... She is as tall as ever. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Once I got her scaled down I can post a picture or two if anyone would like to see her. Yes, she will move and fence like the guy, but she looks like a gal at least. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />


I did peek at the animation, but, argh, nearly 80 keys for each part of the animation, several values for each key, and then 100's of frames - <i>I</i> won't make her hips swing, so there! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
High Sea Lass said:
won't make her hips swing, so there! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
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that would be great if ye did lass, would luv ter see a belly dancer in de game <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
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High Sea Lass,
You can scale "her" down and scale the animation with her (menu Scene/Edit Scene) . That won't mess anything up. (However I noticed the buttons I made for that don't work correct yet, so you have to use the slider. I'll upload a new version when I've fixed the locators - you're right there's something wrong.)
Animations: you don't have to make all frames; the tool can interpolate between keys - but still it's true it would be a lot of work, and I haven't had courage to do it either. Besides I admit that the interface is a bit tedious.
And yes, please, let's see screenshots!
 
<!--QuoteBegin-skull+May 27 2005, 01:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skull @ May 27 2005, 01:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-High Sea Lass+May 27 2005, 09:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(High Sea Lass @ May 27 2005, 09:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->won't make her hips swing, so there!  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /><div align="right">[snapback]107364[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

that would be great if ye did lass, would luv ter see a belly dancer in de game <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /><div align="right">[snapback]107395[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahem, I said <i>i</i> won't make her hip swings... But you're welcome to try if you want a belly dancer... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />


And I have met a strange problem - when I try to go to 1st person I am dumped back to the desktop... When using my new model. Any ideas about that? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />


I'll set "my" model to something else and take snapshots of my "twin" that way instead (the one wandering Oxbay port). Should be back in a bit with a couple of screen shots. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
A few screenies. Hopefully not so bad they'll turn you into screamies... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

Mind you, I have spotted a few errant vertices... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> I shall try to hunt down the root of the problem, be it my editing or the shrinking of the model and animation... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

And yes, yes, I know, I need to edit the texture a bit <i>in one spot</i>! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_00.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_01.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_02.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_03.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_04.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_06.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
The ponytail isnt visible from the front. though I see it isnt meant to be, because of how far down it is, but perhaps you could make it longer and higher on the head.

Make no mistake, this is very good, Im just knitpicking here.
 
<!--QuoteBegin-High Sea Lass+May 27 2005, 08:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(High Sea Lass @ May 27 2005, 08:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A few screenies.  Hopefully not so bad they'll turn you into screamies...  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
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<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_praise.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="icon_praise.gif" /> I love it! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_praise.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="icon_praise.gif" />
We have a modeler in our midst
You my dear have sent the problem of "lack of female models" down to Davey Jones' Locker! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/flower.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ty" border="0" alt="flower.gif" />

Now we're cooking! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
Blazie is great! ... no, you are! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

I was going to ask you to modify a male character, but now I'm thinking, na, you pick the models you want to change.

Then I'm thinking, I could reskin them, but na, you do well at that also!

Gonna put me out of business!

Well if you need an assistant ... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Petros+May 27 2005, 03:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ May 27 2005, 03:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Blazie is great! ... no, you are! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

I was going to ask you to modify a male character, but now I'm thinking, na, you pick the models you want to change.

Then I'm thinking, I could reskin them, but na, you do well at that also!

Gonna put me out of business!

Well if you need an assistant ... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" /><div align="right">[snapback]107533[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" />

Hey now, Petros, your skins are great, so don't you dare call it quits! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" /> Thank <i>you</i> for Croft and company. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/flower.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ty" border="0" alt="flower.gif" />

And thank you for your praise - I only do what I can, which is merely to modify what is there. Sure, I have fun doing it, but that's what it's all about! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

So, let me know if there is a specific model you want me to do and I will do my best to tweak it! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />

Mind you, since the male chest area is rather different there will be limitations... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Same with hair. I use what is there, I have not added anything - so far... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" />

And here's another version, for you, Hu Kwan Do! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_07.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/justagrrl/Blazie_08.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
yes, they are VERY good, I was just being pernickety. They are both very good models, especially for a first time modder. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Keep it up, and we will have hundreds of more great models yet! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
Hundr... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />

Eh, I just remembered I have to emigrate, uh, yes, emigrate to, uh, hmm, Antarctica... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />


<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Trying to scare me away? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />
 
Heh, I was meaning after a Long while, you will get some models into the build though, they are that good.

I always thought that Blaize's eyes were probably the best done in the game. We should use them more often
 
Hmm, well, thanks... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

Blaze's eyes? That's actually not his eyes... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Or wait... Arr ye sayin' <i>Blazie's</i> ice arr oglee, eh?! Grr. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" /> Just kidding you. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />


Anyway - do anyone here know why the game crashes when I go to first person perspective with my new model? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ib012.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cry" border="0" alt="ib012.gif" />
 
High Sea Lass,

I just gotta add to the "Ooh's" and "Ah's",

OOOOOOOOOOH, AAAAAAAAAAH!

That is just great work! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> What a really clever idea and how well, (and quickly!) you accomplished it! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

Another round for High Sea Lass! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":beer" border="0" alt="beer2.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-High Sea Lass+May 27 2005, 07:35 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(High Sea Lass @ May 27 2005, 07:35 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway - do anyone here know why the game crashes when I go to first person perspective with my new model?  <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ib012.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cry" border="0" alt="ib012.gif" />
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I don't really know - never experienced that - but you could use the View / Details menu to see if there's anything unusual about the reimported model.
Or, if you want to mail it to me, I could have a look. (Hope to have some modding time tomotrrow or Sunday.)

Oh, and by "fist peson perspective" do you mean ego shooter mode or actually 3rd person view ?

Great work you're doing ! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
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