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Rewrite current main quest...

Short Jack Gold was working on this. I don't know how far he came though, nor if he's still active. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=198355:date=May 30 2007, 08:13 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ May 30 2007, 08:13 PM) [snapback]198355[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Short Jack Gold was working on this. I don't know how far he came though, nor if he's still active. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Still working - the tutorial stopped so it has been a bit of a slog by trial an error till I found some of the commands I need. (This is not a program language I am familiar with).

Going for three main playing options -
Main Quest as is - just basically say hello to Norrington & Beckett and just the odd spanner in the works.
Main Quest with EITC & Beckett (a wicked twist here - even if I say so myself) gets to where film starts, or at least close too <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
Option in above to leave or ignore Main Quest and go full time EITC - with its own problems <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

All options are selectable by player's answer to specific questions in the game.

I am currently trying to fill in the the "what if" holes when the player might not do what I would expect. There are so many variations that have to be considered. Also tidying up the quest and dialog files.

I am hoping to be ready by the end of June to ask for volunteers to test play it.
I have not done any new character or ship models (just used different existing ones where necessary) so I will need help here from the guys who are expert at that, but I would like to "prove" the gameplay first.
 
<!--quoteo(post=198430:date=May 31 2007, 09:28 AM:name=Thomas the Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thomas the Terror @ May 31 2007, 09:28 AM) [snapback]198430[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Name your terms for graphics, I can help you with it, I am busy with EITC officers now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yer on! - Loved the Beckett henchman on the left in your recent post.
Any chance of a younger (only a bit) Beckett with white powdered wig and no hat for indoor stuff?
 
It seems very interesting all of that...

but isn't possible to let the existing quest like they are and add some new quests?
Maybe you can add those storyline at the end of the game or make some crossover with the existing quest?

Just an idea like that;
* Replace Robert Christopher Silehard with Lord Cutler Becket after Silehard death... (after is death, Redmond have no governor maybe Cutler beckett may become the new governor and things become worse then during Silehard rule?!)

* The player must be different from Jack Sparrow but it can be a friend that helping him or someone who want recover some gold or ship Jack Sparrow stolen from him. So jack can be very present in the game, and the player still pursuit him, making some task that Sparrow doesn't want to do (maybe for cowardly act or disgust) and or poor player will fall out in some trouble let here by Jack Sparrow himself. That maybe so confusing that the player will be treat by other as is Jack Sparrow and our hero must be prove that he isn't that fellow. It will respect the main theme of the movies; epic pursuits other the seas...

* Mainly the history must have to be; how Jack Sparrow get his Piece of Eight!!! (he is one of the Pirates Lord) and how and for what reason it was fooled Davvy Jones!!! I think Jack has died in some manner (maybe drowned after a walk on the plank, or something like that!) And his made a deal with Davvy Jones
It will be known as the Raise of Jack Sparrow, the most (self proclamed) great pirates of the seas...

I can help you if you want for the scenario...
 
Hi Cap'n Blood,

The main Quest is intact - just a few side issues to add interest to those who have played it soooo many times.
Also an option to jump in and out plus two totally new quests. The player chooses which one to follow.

Silehard and Beckett - you've been looking over my shoulder haven't you?

The player can be Jack or not - the players choice.

The coin for Jack is there. But remember he did not have it at the start.

Generally follows the background given about Jack in the movie but not actually shown.

I would however appreciate your suggestions by private mail (so as not to give the game away )
 
Is making that EITC main quest a lot of work? Could you perhaps try to finish the original main quest rewrite first and make the EITC quest afterwards? Otherwise I'm afraid it's so much work, especially for one person on his own, that a final release is unlikely. I might be a tad pessimistic, but I have seen it happen to often before that people were doing a great job on making a new mod, but giving up before finishing it or simply never releasing it and disappearing afterwards. I hate it when that happens and I would love it when that can be prevented. Of course it's your work and you are free to do it as you want, though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=199629:date=Jun 4 2007, 11:14 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Jun 4 2007, 11:14 PM) [snapback]199629[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is making that EITC main quest a lot of work? Could you perhaps try to finish the original main quest rewrite first and make the EITC quest afterwards? Otherwise I'm afraid it's so much work, especially for one person on his own, that a final release is unlikely. I might be a tad pessimistic, but I have seen it happen to often before that people were doing a great job on making a new mod, but giving up before finishing it or simply never releasing it and disappearing afterwards. I hate it when that happens and I would love it when that can be prevented. Of course it's your work and you are free to do it as you want, though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi Pieter,
Thanks for the concern, it is appreciated.
The stories interlink because of the various options the player has. I am "close" to completion, filling in the "what if" holes. (of which there are a lot. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /> )
My target is the end of the month, given the time I have available, but if I run short I may truncate some options.
 
<!--quoteo(post=199608:date=Jun 4 2007, 08:19 PM:name=cpt O. BLOOD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cpt O. BLOOD @ Jun 4 2007, 08:19 PM) [snapback]199608[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It seems very interesting all of that...

but isn't possible to let the existing quest like they are and add some new quests?
Maybe you can add those storyline at the end of the game or make some crossover with the existing quest?

Just an idea like that;
* Replace Robert Christopher Silehard with Lord Cutler Becket after Silehard death... (after is death, Redmond have no governor maybe Cutler beckett may become the new governor and things become worse then during Silehard rule?!)

* The player must be different from Jack Sparrow but it can be a friend that helping him or someone who want recover some gold or ship Jack Sparrow stolen from him. So jack can be very present in the game, and the player still pursuit him, making some task that Sparrow doesn't want to do (maybe for cowardly act or disgust) and or poor player will fall out in some trouble let here by Jack Sparrow himself. That maybe so confusing that the player will be treat by other as is Jack Sparrow and our hero must be prove that he isn't that fellow. It will respect the main theme of the movies; epic pursuits other the seas...

* Mainly the history must have to be; how Jack Sparrow get his Piece of Eight!!! (he is one of the Pirates Lord) and how and for what reason it was fooled Davvy Jones!!! I think Jack has died in some manner (maybe drowned after a walk on the plank, or something like that!) And his made a deal with Davvy Jones
It will be known as the Raise of Jack Sparrow, the most (self proclamed) great pirates of the seas...

I can help you if you want for the scenario...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Captain Sparrow did not "walk the plank" as you said.

Jack Sparrow was once a captain in the East India Company. His ship was none other than the <i>Wicked Wench</i>. When a certain Sir Cutler Beckett asked jack to carry a 'special cargo'... slaves from Africa... Jack refused to engage in such a cruel trade and attempted to leave the Company. Beckett promptly hunted the <i>Wicked Wench</i> down and blew her out of the water, sending Jack with it. Jack was saved from death by Davy Jones, who agreed to raise the <i>Wicked Wench</i> and grant him captaincy of the ship for thirteen years before joining his crew of damned men, or collect 100 souls for payment. The <i>Wicked Wench</i> was raised and renamed the <i>Black Pearl</i> and Jack Sparrow became the pirate we know of in the movies. He assembled a crew to find the gold of Cortez, a cursed treasure that was often spoken of in the pirate world. He called upon Tia Dalma to help him find it, who in turn gave him the compass. After finding the lost blood money of Cortez, Jack's first mate Hector Barbossa led a mutiny and named himself captain of the <i>Black Pearl</i>. One of the crew, William "Bootstrap Bill" Turner opposed the mutiny, and they sent him to the depths tied to a cannon... however, Turner had managed to send off his own piece of gold to his son in England, thus cursing the pirates until the last piece was found.

(I really think that if they want to do another Pirates movie, it should be a prequel. This would unveil the mark left on Beckett and tell the story told above and all. And because Will and Elizabeth are not yet part of the story, Bloom and Knighterly's leaving the cast wouldn't hurt the series. This would also allow character development for Bootstrap, Beckett, and Tia Dalma. They could also bring back some of the cursed <i>Pearl's</i> crew.)

EDIT: Hey Peiter! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Sorry if my P&E mod seemed to fade off. I did get a sort of beta up, then the next Build came out and sort of had all the P&E stuff in it... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
you left a few things out:

tia dalma was one of the slaves.

when beckett sunk the wicked wench, he branded jacka pirate.

as tia dalma and davy jones have the same hanger, i presume that tia dalma was the anonimous woman in the story of davy jones. (maybe this is implemented in the third film, i don't know) this gives the reason why davy jones raised the wicked wench for jack. simply to return the favor. (although jack might also have talked him into it by giving his soul to him after 13 years)
 
Ah, sorry... I was all into it and overlooked those. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

And judging from the way Jack handles things and how cold Jones became, I think he talked Jones into letting him free.

Did you know that Davy Jones was one of the Pirate Lords? He was Lord of the Lochs. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I wonder who Lord of the Great Lakes is... if there is one.
 
The "Tia Dalma was one of the slaves" thing is NOT the official story. That one I made up. It *might* be true, but there is no official source stating it or suggesting it. The only source suggesting it is the source who just typed up this here message, because I thought it might add some interest to our main quest rewrite and would give a nice introduction to Tia.

A prequel would be nice as next PotC film, although I wouldn't say no to a sequel either. I do think they should drop the drama though. PotC 1 wasn't really dramatic, but then parts 2 and 3 went all operatic. It made for good films, true enough, but for the fourth they should return to the fun of the first film, not the drama of the other two. I think they could also try and decrease the amount of "comic book fun" found in the second and third film. Will and Elizabeth need not return; their stories have reached a proper conclusion. All we need are Jack, Barbossa and crew chasing each other in an interesting pirate world, searching for treasure and immortality and captaincy of the Black Pearl, but never actually being able to keep it. One thing they do NOT need to do is to make part 4 "bigger and better" than the others. Just as big as PotC 1 will do. The Indiana Jones movies never really got bigger or better; they just maintained the same level of greatness. I think they should try that for Part 4 as well. They already went the "bigger and better" road for the current two sequels; now it's time to choose a different path.

"Lord of the Lochs"? I didn't know there were titles for the pirate lords? Where did that come from?

BTW: Does anyone think it was weird in PotC 3 that they assembled these two massive fleets, yet didn't have them fight each other? That disappointed me quite a bit. The ending was quite big, literally (Tia) and figuratively (maelstrom fight), but I just don't see the point of bringing together two fleets without having them participate in any fights at all. It made for some good shots though, so I'm not complaining. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

To the Commodore: Could you possibly try to make a P&E mod after all? There's a whole bunch of P&E content available, but none of it all put together. Some content made it into Build 14 Alpha 6, some is available as seperate downloads and some seems to be unavailable now. It would be great to have it all in one package, excluding the files already in the Build 14 Alpha.
 
actually pieter, i have read that tia dalma was one of the slaves in one of the background stories.
 
Yes, they have titles. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />

Ammand the Corsair: Lord of the Back Sea
Hector Barbossa: Lord of the Caspian Sea
Capitaine Chevalle: Lord of the Mediterranean Sea
Mistress Ching: Lord of the Pacific Ocean
Gentleman Jocard: Lord of the Atlantic Ocean
Jack Sparrow: Lord of the Caribbean Sea
Sri Sumbhajee: Lord of the Indian Ocean
Teague Sparrow: Former Pirate Lord of Madagascar and Keeper of the Pirate Codex
Davy Jones: Former Pirate Lord of the Lochs
Sao Feng: Lord of the South China Sea until his death
Elizabeth Turner: Current Pirate Lord of the South China Sea and Pirate King of the Brethren of the Coast

I think that if they make a fourth, it should not be bigger and better, but equal three in scale. The two fleets glared at eachother then sailed off, so four should focus on the war that was declared and started when they dueled in the whirlpool. So it wouldn't be bigger and better, but we would still get to see the war and the huge battle that we waited for and never got.

I will try to release a P&E once we have better ships that won't replace the old ones. Really what we need are a few base models and several versions in each of the major power's colors to make their navies. We have everything else.
 
To Morgan Terror: You HAVE? I'd LOVE to see that. That would mean my random suggestion was somehow true. That would be amazing, wouldn't it? Either that, or some background storywriter has actually been reading this forum... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

To the Commodore: Where did these titles come from? Why is there no current Pirate Lord of Madagascar?

Do you think the war would still continue in a part 4? At the end of part 3, it seemed like the EITC was too afraid of the pirate armada supported by Black Pearl AND Flying Dutchman that they ran for it. But in part 4, the Flying Dutchman should play no role, which might mean the armada would again gain their confidence and fight against the pirates to give us the fight we've been waiting for. But why would the EITC armada fight in full force? They never did that until Beckett. Would they continue without him? Or would someone succeed him? That would be rather horrible; after all the trouble Jack and friends went to in part 3, they only delayed the next big battle. I think it would be nice if there were just a couple of smaller-but-still-big fights of a couple of EITC ships vs. a couple of pirate ships. Most likely the EITC will go back to trading and the pirates will go back to chasing EITC ships, so there are bound to be clashes between them. But it won't be the EITC chasing the pirates anymore. That doesn't make sense with Beckett gone.

What do you want to do with the P&E reskins made by other members, such as Seb'? I think it would be a shame if these were never used. Quite a bit of effort went into those, I am sure, and I think that should be rewarded with eventual inclusion into the modpack. Not to mention that is the only work we've got at the moment. It seems nobody else is working on new P&E ships. Not new models anyway.
 
The ones made by Seb must be used, perhaps to replace ones we don't want anymore that came with the stock game? I'd hate to see them go too.

Lord Beckett was a mere agent of the Company, meaning that he shared the same views of those in London and was sent to wipe the pirates out. There's bound to be more in England who want pirates to be wiped off the face of the Earth. I think that with the <i>Endeavor</i> and Beckett lost, they decided to withdraw until a new leader and flagship could be chosen or obtained from home. I really think that if a new EIC agent was to be introduced, Guy Pierce should play the part. His role as the Count Mondeigo in "The Count of Monte Cristo" was a perfect example as to how he should look and act as a new Lord or Admiral. (I would suggest admiral, as the Company would sent a "military" man from their armed forces to wage the war against the pirates.) The battle would serve as a starter gun on the war that would show the pirates what they faced and truly rally them for the long times ahead. Keith Richards could develop more and become more of a key player along with the other lords as we see more of them.

Oh, and I noticed something in the second go around today. If you look at the opening scene where they're hanging all the pirates, the blue EIC flag is seen flying over the fort in front of the Union Jack. But on closer inspection, I found that it was the actual red and white striped flag with the Jack in the corner! Perhaps the blue one was Beckett's personal standard used in his fleet? It also explains the uniforms... blue with red facings, navy with buff, etc. Perhaps they were of his own design for his own fleet?
 
i have a whole lot of jack sparrow qoutes from the first movie as a soundtrack. those are bound to be usefull. one of them could be used when the ship's health get's below 10%, 'apparently there's a leak'. the ither goutes are from the bit in the cave and port royal. there aren't many of the famous qoutes included though.
 
<!--quoteo(post=204370:date=Jun 29 2007, 11:44 AM:name=Vader)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vader @ Jun 29 2007, 11:44 AM) [snapback]204370[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Q: what is the Wicked Wench?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The original name of Jack Sparrow's ship - later re-named the Black Pearl.
 
<!--quoteo(post=204371:date=Jun 29 2007, 08:15 AM:name=Short Jack Gold)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Short Jack Gold @ Jun 29 2007, 08:15 AM) [snapback]204371[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=204370:date=Jun 29 2007, 11:44 AM:name=Vader)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vader @ Jun 29 2007, 11:44 AM) [snapback]204370[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Q: what is the Wicked Wench?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The original name of Jack Sparrow's ship - later re-named the Black Pearl.
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Source?

I would've figured that the Pearl's origin would be more mystical, considering all the Hell we've seen her go through in the three films and she's still floating

The ship could be pretty old, and have been enchanted by Celtics or something. that could explain her speed and durability

Perhaps the ship was sunk some time before Sparrow's captaincy via equally mystical means, Sparrow learns of the legends concerning the ship and then seeks out Davie Jones as he is the only one who can resurrect a ship and pledges his soul in exchange for the ship
 
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