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What I would like to see in the new Builds

Rad: Yes, Manowar1 is the brown/red one, and manowar_gub is the black one with the white angel.

I wondered why you disliked it so, because usually people prefer it (I oddly don't, I like 2 best).

Yes, `ship-specific` 128x128 icons are possible, but it'd be a good bit of work.

Plus eventually the idea with PRS3--the system that gives ships random stats--was to allow you to repaint your ship as you choose. I.e. adding a ship type as well as model, and you could freely swap between models/paint schemes.
 
Here's the Manowar_gub:

<img src="http://www.ganotherapyusa.com/extras/figurehead.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

`tigress-stern`.jpg


She's got some blue on top and some red underneath, with white trim on a dark hull. And I'd miss her terribly if she were to disappear. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> She's GORGEOUS...

I was working on an alternate skin for her that changed the angel's dress color and hair color... I love the way she looks... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

If she wasn't such a slow tub, I'd sail her more often. Sometimes I sail using the XebecCT as my flagship, and the MOW Gub to act as a cargo ship...
 
hear, hear - i love the manowar_gub. i always wondered where she got her name, and why she was never used in the game...
 
Oh, mates, I am going to go mad! I wrote just now maybe one hour my post here and when I pushed submit I was in the main PiratesAhoy page and everything was lost for me. Please, Nathan and Catalina hand over to administrators who are in charge of this forum so as they did anything about that so as people weren´t logout automatically in the course of their writing without they wanted it. I am really disgusted. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/guns.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2guns" border="0" alt="guns.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boom.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":boom" border="0" alt="boom.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdown.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2dn" border="0" alt="thumbsdown.gif" />

Nathan it was my mistake because I confused MOW1 with MOW_gub. I dislike MOW1 - brown MOW from the basic game and like MOW_gub. But my the most cherished and favorite one is MOW2 - `yellow-green` , highly decorated on the hull. But MOW_gub still can´t be bough anywhere in my game 12.1 + Modpack even after my opening all shiyards in the game. In the file Ships_init.c I didn´t discover anything which could prevent it. I must to check it again and buy every MOWs one by one in all shipyareds and I will inform you. And what can I do, so as I was able to buy any MOW in Conceicao? There still can´t be bought any of them. I think it is time to finish with those some meaningless restrictions.
I think nothing is better in the game than to have about 50 ships for the choice in every shipyard. And yes, why not? If I will be good in trading, smuggling and fighting, then I will have enough money, so why couldn´t I to buy my favorite ship exactly which I want even if I would order her building in this shipyard? And this opening of shipyard it is good for people who are able to create the great new designs of ships but they can be disappointed because their ships will never or very sparsely be appearing in the shipyard because of various restrictions and conditions. People should be positively motivated for their work.
And Catalina, thank you very much for your screenshots of MOW_gub. It realy cleared all the situation. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />
 
poor you <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> i always hit `ctrl-a` and `ctrl-c` before i post <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />
 
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I was working on an alternate skin for her that changed the angel's dress color ... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />[/quote]

Dress color? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" />
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> Those are fish scales! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />


She is a flying mermaid angel.
 
Oh yeah, I love that ship too. I'd never noticed it before this one time I played, then I got a matching pair and pounded the crap out of some islands.

Isn't she the one Governor Silehard uses when you encounter him off KR, or does he use the red one? I'm gonna guess "gub" is short for "gubernator," that is, "governor."

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Petros: How would you like to redo these last six loading screens from the A&M `add-on`? I've translated all the text, they're just transliterations of real Caribbean towns. Cat has an outline of the flag image that appears on all the loading screens, and it's useful, though with these I've found you can just get by by "smudging" over the Russian text and typing over with English (she has the Dolphin font too). But I bet you can find a way to redo them with more panache`.
 
no, i think silehard uses the red one. maybe it was originally gonna be silehard's ship.
 
Kieron: that's (it was orig. for Silehard but never used) my guess too.

Rad: Keith is in the process of upgrading the forums, so there are a number of issues that really can't be resolved until the upgrade is complete.

As Kieron says, select your text and copy it before hitting submit; or, as I mentioned earlier, just write it in notepad first. I certainly do the latter, or I'd have lost any number of longwinded posts of mine. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Can you please send me your ships_init.c file, and your ships.c file, both from the Ships subfolder? I'll take a look and see what's wrong.
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Petros`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dress color? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" />  :shock:  
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> Those are fish scales! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />  


She is a flying mermaid angel.[/quote] <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /> I know that... I guess I was tired when I posted that... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> But I changed her scales to green and her hair to blonde, and gave her <i>...other</i> features a bit more definition. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> I don't think I ever finished it, but I SHOULD dig it up at least to take another look at it...

First time I ever beat the game, I got the "gub" from Silehard; and IIRC that was the unmodded version of the game... So I've always referred to it as Silehard's ship, or "the gub"... She's a lovely ship. I usually call mine the Tigress, if I am sailing her... But you don't get her all the time, which is frustrating. I sail about trying to encounter MOW's to take - and she seems much more rare than the others - the beige/blue or the brown/red...

Love this shot I got once -

<img src="http://www.ganotherapyusa.com/extras/mow_nice2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

SUCH a beautiful game! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />
 
Hi, all. Nathan, it seems to me something wrong happened in the game B12.1 + Modpack what about Manowars concerns. As anybody did some adverse corrections here. As I said previously I opened my shipyads for all ships and in large towns three MOW apprears for buying in shipyards´ offers - MOW1, MOW2 and Weathered MOW. But in the Ships_init.c there are 4 types of Manowars – MOW1, MOW2, MOW_gub and Weathered MOW. So that by my opinion all four ones should be appearing in shipyards. But it isn´t so, the MOW_gub don´t appear anymore anywhere. On the other hand I restricted appearing of MOW1 because I don´t like it as I already said. But this MOW1 always appears even after she is restricted. And I don´t know why. I checked that several times. And in Conceicao and Dawnseen any Manowars aren´t in offers for buying anywhere. So, could you advise me what to do, so as really in all Shipyards were all the ships in offer for buying ? But plaese, write it for me here so as I could noted it somewhere. I am sending my file Ships_init.c and Ship.c so as you could have a look what happens here. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />

And I would like to say something yet. For the first time I have seen this intro of the game. It is for the reason I have never seen it before because it takes about 57 second until is activated. This is a real professional masterpiece. I like it very much. Maybe it could be a little extended yet in the future after some new good quests will be present. And I think it wouldn´t be bad thing if the time for generating of it was reduced from this 57 second to about 30 second. In this case more people could delight and joy by it. Great work mates. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />
 
Well, personally, I don´t like the Man of War too much, because the model is so ridiculously oversized - I once met a "Battle fleet" cosisting of two Men of War, two Battleships and three frigates. Compared to the Man Of War, the Battleships ( seventy gun vessels after all) looked no bigger than a corvette, and the frigate, well, you can guess.

If it had a realistic size, it would be a beautiful ship, but like this <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
Hi, Grimm. You know I think those ships aren´t too much exagerrated because I know there existed even flag three deck line ship which had 120 guns. I think it was the maximum. Have a look for example at ships Sovereign of the Seas, Solei Royal, Nuestra Senora de Atocha and several others. Some of those first class three deck ships were really huge. The similarly you could say that schooners weren´t in those times, brigs weren´t in those times or that on any ships never were cannons of only one caliber and so on. Schooners are ships even from first half of the 19th century, but whom does mind it here? And Xebec ships, they are mere fantasy, only inspired a little by the hulls of Mediterranean galleys. But in any case we can entertain greatly. If only strict reality would be prefered here, many things had to be removed from the game and it would happen relly boring. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-alan_smithee`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alan_smithee)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Petros: How would you like to redo these last six loading screens from the A&M `add-on`? I've translated all the text, they're just transliterations of real Caribbean towns. Cat has an outline of the flag image that appears on all the loading screens, and it's useful, though with these I've found you can just get by by "smudging" over the Russian text and typing over with English (she has the Dolphin font too). But I bet you can find a way to redo them with more panache`.[/quote]
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
I don't have the A&M add on.
Where can I get just these screens and just what do you need done with them?
 
Per the mail, the `class-checking` code was not commented out. It is now.
Also, make sure you reinitialize after adding these files; until you do the various MOWs may not be set buyable.
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Uh, in regard to Xebecs, they are indeed real ships. I'm not an expert on Med piracy, but some folks on the LIB board are IIRC; I recommend asking there about them.
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In regard to size. Sure the /number of guns/ is ok, but the physical size of the _ship_ is far off. Clutch Marauder IIRC calculated that if you go by the size of the MOW in the game, it displaces what a modern aircraft carrier does (when even HMS Victory was only ~7000 tons, IIRC). I posted a quick comparison chart in some thread in IIRC the gameplay forum; but basically, a `36-gun` frigate was about 2/3rds the size of HMS Victory, and a superfrigate (USS Constitution) was /the same length/.
 
Petros: I have six or so loading screens from the A&M Build files; did the other 20 or so myself, and woof, I am pooped. They're all in Russian so they need the English translations typed in instead; I can email you the files and their translations if you want to PM me your address.
 
Nathan, thanks for help. I inserted corrected files into the game again and Manowars started appear in smaller towns. Could you write me the hint where and how you did it in the these files, so as I couldn´t find it difficultly?
But this Manowar_gub still can´t be bought anywhere. It is really strange. Even though Manovar1 is restricted from appearing she appears on the sea when I buy Manowar1 in shipyards now. Altogether three MOWs can be bought in shipayrds now - MOW1, MOW2 and Weathered MOW but not MOW_gub. What still happens here ?

What about Xebec concerns. Sometime in the past I consulted this issue with a person who understand it well and I was told the Xebec wasn´t real historical design and because of my beliving in that I wrote it here above. When you told me it isn´t true, I put some inquiry at Ellaybe yesterday and now appears this ship was really real ship although maybe rather for coastal waters. I will see if other people will express to this issue yet. So, I apologize to all for my probably incorrect assertion about this matter.

Nathan, you wrote me Victory has 7000 tons and these MOWs has about 6000 tons. I think it is quite comparable. Or am I worong again? Altough Victory was huge ship she wasn´t the biggest one. I think some ships were even a little bigger yet even older. But I think Victory was one of the famoust ships in those times. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />
 
<!--`QuoteBegin-Rad`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rad)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi, Grimm. You know I think those ships aren´t too much exagerrated because I know there existed even  flag three deck line ship which had 120 guns. I think it was the maximum. Have a look for example at ships Sovereign of the Seas, Solei Royal, Nuestra Senora de Atocha and several others. Some of those first class three deck ships were really huge. The similarly you could say that schooners weren´t in those times, brigs weren´t in those times or that on any ships never  were cannons of only one caliber   and so on. Schooners are ships even from first half of the 19th century, but whom does mind it here? And Xebec ships, they are mere fantasy, only inspired a little by the hulls of Mediterranean galleys.   But in any case we can entertain greatly. If only strict reality would be prefered here,  many things had to be removed from the game and it would happen relly boring.  :gday[/quote]

What I meant the models used for them Men of War are exageratedly huge. Look at the Battleship, that´s about the length and size you´d expect for a large ship and the Man of War may be a bit longer ond higher, but not THAT much.
 
Hi, Grimm. You know it seems to me not Manowars are exagerrately large but rather some other ships, are too small, especially schooners, brigs, brigantines, fregates, corvetters and maybe even battleships. When you compare those all ships with Manowars this ship looks really huge against all another ones. For that reason I think it isn´t Manowar´s fault but rather by another ships. Please, have a look at link which I put here, especially at virtual tour, where are the photos of Victory showed. Have a look please, thoroughly how this ship is large. We can consider Victory three deck war, and line first class ship and she is actually the Manowar type of ship or very similar. And she wasn´t the absolute hughest ship. When I will find the link for some other ships as Solei Royal, or Royal George or Sovereign of the Seas I will put them here so as you could do an idea how those ships were huge. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />

<a href="http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Heritage/1797/Victory/" target="_blank">http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Heritage/1797/Victory/</a>
 
A other thing that should be fixed in futur build is the Reputation management. I have frequently some strange rep decrease.... due to nothing I can notice.

Example: I have a neutral rep, I go to Conceicao to repair my ship and as I do it I suffer a rep down to Horror of the high sea.... simply to have repaired my ship?

If I try to do something else than repairing, so I fought a bit, been slaughtered down and .... recovering in the inn room... i look atmy rep and it's have be reduced too...

it's weird, no?
 
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