PotC Build Mod Ship Cleanup

[Armada]

When (if) I get done porting these new ships into POTC I intend to get back to work on the rigging for the light frigate and the heavy frigate. Unless there is no longer any point to it.

There certainly is a point to it! Your rigging changes really enhance the ships' appearance, especially because they look more realistic.

As Pieter said, the ships are being changed around quite a lot, but I don't see a problem with you continuing your work.
The ships you're working on are ones we intend to keep anyway, so the only difference after the ship clean-up will be model names, I guess.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

As Pieter said, the ships are being changed around quite a lot, but I don't see a problem with you continuing your work.
The ships you're working on are ones we intend to keep anyway, so the only difference after the ship clean-up will be model names, I guess.

I do see a problem; it'll drive me nuts to figure out what's what later on! :wacko:
It'll just be easier to do it one thing at a time. Anyway, I'm trying to get the clean-up done over the next few days and then I'll upload my changed files so people can have a look at what we've got left.

 

[Armada]

Ah, I see, it's a problem your end. I thought you meant Hylie would get confused with all your changes, but actually it's vice versa?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Yep, I'm just thinking it might get messy when we get to combining everything later on, so I'm just trying to keep things simple. :?

 

[Hylie Pistof]

Umm, you are forgetting that the rigging work I'm doing is more than stringing a few ropes on certain ships. There are new masts, sails, sail layout, and yes, some ropes.

And these changes are a sea change meant to be put on all of them, not just a certain one. So when we are all done we just drop the masts on your hulls and then just add a few locators for new ropes, and that's it.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

That's exactly why it'd be easier to do it after the clean-up. You're doing so much work that it's easier if I'm not messing around with the same files at the same time.

Does anyone have a preference on Lugger5_44 vs. Lugger6_44?

 

[Armada]

I prefer Lugger5_44, because it looks more weathered and has a nicer stern texture.

Anyway, here's something else to think about. It looks as though we might get the Christianus Sextus (PotBS 'Trinity') 2nd Rate in-game sooner than I expected.
So, any ideas on what to do with her? Which nations should get her? She's a Danish ship launched in 1733, which gives us a rough idea of when she can be used.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

The blue stern suggests France to me; she looks a bit like La Licorne and similar painted ships.

 

[Armada]

I should have said the texture isn't finalised, so she won't necessarily have that blue rim.
It looks nicer than being the same colour as the rest of the hull though, which seems to be how it was in PotBS.

I was thinking for France (and Spain?) she could be painted similarly to Le Fleuron, perhaps? And a Royal Navy texture can be arranged, too. Any others in mind?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

The coloured rim there is definitely nice; makes me wonder what she'd look like in Dutch green-and-brown with gold trimmings.

On a more serious note, I can definitely see her working for France. For Spain, isn't she sort-of similar to the SP_SanFelipe?
As for RN, do we really need another British re-skin? I've just been counting and at the moment I've got 26 RN ships with another 13 HMS ones, making for 39 special British ships.
That seems a bit overkill compared to:
France: 19
Holland: 12
Portugal: 9
Spain: 12
United States: 12

 

[Armada]

Hmm, I know "Britainnia rules the waves" and all, but that does seem a bit too unbalanced. :urgh
You should probably ignore quest-only ships though, which don't affect general gameplay.

As for the San Felipe, that's a 1st Rate with over 100 guns, and is based in earlier time periods, so let's not rule out a Spanish texture just yet.
Perhaps my current texture would look nice for Portugal? We're giving them the original Poseidon model too, which is very similar. And they NEED more textures, anyway! :
I could certainly try out a Dutch texture if you think it would work well, and I'll go ahead with a French one.
Obviously she's not a US ship though, so they won't get a texture. That just leaves Britain up for debate. I might have to ask the fans of the ship what they want, to make things fair.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Hmm, I know "Britainnia rules the waves" and all, but that does seem a bit too unbalanced. :urgh
You should probably ignore quest-only ships though, which don't affect general gameplay.

If we consider the quest ships to be HMS Dauntless, Endeavour, Indefatigable, Interceptor and Surprise, that only makes for five of them.
I've been saying for quite some time that we've got exponentially more British ship than any other nation; thankfully, some of the modelers have apparently had the same idea.
Pgargon, for example, has been doing a brilliant job lately at making non-British ships.

As for the San Felipe, that's a 1st Rate with over 100 guns, and is based in earlier time periods, so let's not rule out a Spanish texture just yet.

Fair enough. That's what I get for talking about things I haven't a clue about!

Perhaps my current texture would look nice for Portugal? We're giving them the original Poseidon model too, which is very similar. And they NEED more textures, anyway! :

That could work.

I could certainly try out a Dutch texture if you think it would work well, and I'll go ahead with a French one.

If you have noticed, just for the sake of it, I've been asking for Dutch re-textures at every opportunity. But I'm just doing that for humour's sake.
On a more serious note, at least for the NL ships, we've got a pretty good established and unique colour scheme that definitely has some base in realism too.
We've got the beautiful NL_Lineship for a large Dutch ship already. The only other Dutch ship I'd really like to see is a Dutch warship like the actual Zeven Provincien.
If anyone actually does want to work on more textures, I'd be more interested in some matching textures for Spanish and Portuguese ships, since those two nations seem quite a bit more messy by comparison.

 

[Armada]

If we consider the quest ships to be HMS Dauntless, Endeavour, Indefatigable, Interceptor and Surprise, that only makes for five of them.

OK, so we're still left with far too many RN ships. It's unsurprising really, seeing as they have been the most popular ships that modellers have built.

I've been saying for quite some time that we've got exponentially more British ship than any other nation; thankfully, some of the modelers have apparently had the same idea.
Pgargon, for example, has been doing a brilliant job lately at making non-British ships.

Indeed. Now he likes making German ships. While that makes sense to him, unfortunately it's not so convenient in the Caribbean setting.
To be fair, he has made other Dutch and Spanish ships though, and even made the only custom Portuguese ship, the Caravela Redonda!

If you have noticed, just for the sake of it, I've been asking for Dutch re-textures at every opportunity. But I'm just doing that for humour's sake.

I have noticed that, actually. So, does that mean you want more Dutch textures or not?

Seriously though, I suppose it would make more sense to wait for more specialised Dutch models, rather than re-texture something that isn't Dutch-looking.
And as you said, more Spanish and Portuguese textures would be most welcome at the moment.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

OK, so we're still left with far too many RN ships. It's unsurprising really, seeing as they have been the most popular ships that modellers have built.

Absolutely. With so many of them, once I'm done with my clean-up, maybe you or Hylie Pistof could go through the RN ships we've got left and see if there's any we can still afford to lose.
Especially the ships that are re-textures while one of the high-detail custom ships serves the same purpose. And do we really need the "RN_Brig_16gun", for example?

Indeed. Now he likes making German ships. While that makes sense to him, unfortunately it's not so convenient in the Caribbean setting.
To be fair, he has made other Dutch and Spanish ships though, and even made the only custom Portuguese ship, the Caravela Redonda!

I'm not complaining about Pgargon's choice of ships; he's doing a very varied job, which is brilliant.
The German ships are a bit tricky, but if they end up with a Dutch-like paint scheme, I'll be happy enough to commandeer them for the Royal Dutch Navy!

I have noticed that, actually. So, does that mean you want more Dutch textures or not?

Well, I'm not specifically going to say no, but...:

Seriously though, I suppose it would make more sense to wait for more specialised Dutch models, rather than re-texture something that isn't Dutch-looking.
And as you said, more Spanish and Portuguese textures would be most welcome at the moment.

Exactly what you say. And with the German ships being put to Dutch use, it's not like its my country is the one not getting enough unique ships.
When it comes to re-textures, I'm going to have to side with Spain and Portugal first.

 

[Captain Armstrong]

Wow progress with the Trinity is going very fast! If it were up to me I would say make a british texture for the Trinity too if you can; because three decked 2nd rates like this were common in the royal navy after other nations (like france and spain) started building 80 gun second rates or more first rates instead. But I would also say that portugal, spain, and holland have a greater need of ships than England needs a second rate, so maybe you could put the English texture as last priority for this ship?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Do we have any other British second-rate type ships that we could drop if we get a British Trinity skin to use as second-rate instead?

 

[Captain Armstrong]

think the Dauntless might be called a second rate, but she's quest only...all the three deckers in the later periods are based of the Victory right? cause if so I dont think Britain has any second rates, thats why i was suggesting a british texture for the Trinity. But i'll double check next chance I get.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

There is the Victory without a nameplate, but that's a first-rate. Then there's the RN_SotL; could we drop that one in favour of an RN_Trinity?
Alternatively, we've got an RN_Manowar (probably more akin to a first rate) and RN_Battleship, RN_Lineship and RN_Warship which are all large ships.
Not sure which ones would quality as a second-rate though.

 

[Hylie Pistof]

There are 5 2nd rates. RN, US, FR, SP, and generic. They are called SotL.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

So... we can drop the RN_SotL in favour of a RN_Trinity? Same thing with any other nations that would get a Trinity-skin?